Uncovering the fallacies of so called "nudist" organizations. Solution: TGB and the likes

[Dan Myers]

Ok, now Peter I’m going to throw my two cents in here.

There are times t hat I find Anna to be somewhat annoying because of
her insistence of pulling up anything and everything she can find that
has even the remotest link to nudism, even if it is just the fact that
someone may have taken off their clothes at some point in time.

Quite often these stories are very old or only remotely connected to
nudism, frequently they portray something that she thinks is wrong
with nudism, most often things that are mainly ‘wrong’ to her and a
few other prudish repressed types, some of which are apparent on this
group.

Now I said “at times”, there are also quite a few times that I find
the posts of Anna to be enjoyable in that they open the way for good
discussions about nudism, but these others here that shun her ruin
those opportunities with their ignorance.

Now Anna clearly shows the more repressive mindset that we have to
contend with, but there are also those others here that though not of
the same mindset as Anna they are just as repressive in their own
ways.
They would restrict (much as Anna does) who can use the title
“Nudist”, they claim to keep others from connecting nudism to
behaviors that they think would make nudism look “Bad”, when it is not
really so much what others ‘may think’ as it is what they (these prude-
nudes) think that is the reason though they can’t really admit that
even to themselves.

They refuse to accept that though nudism can be practiced by people
without involving sex, it can also be practiced by people and involve
sex of whatever degree they want it to be.

Now JonZee with his insistence that all nudists are somehow ‘perverts’
for wanting to be naked, that grates me almost as much as the prudes
because I do not view nudism as a ‘perversion’, nor I think do many
others that would practice nudism, even with sex involved.

The other thing to JonZee’s allegations of ‘perversion’ in regards to
nudism is his allusion to possible incest or pedophiliac behavior.
Now I’m not going to say that there isn’t such behavior (that would be
stupid) but I am going to say that there isn’t to the degree to which
JonZee alludes, nor is it necessarily related to the nudism like
JonZee says.

For the other side we have these people that claim to be looking for
acceptance of nudism by others, but they are unwilling to accept the
idea that some nudists might want to engage in sex while practicing
their nudism or that they might want to engage in any kind of sex
while they practice nudism, or even that they might just do something
that (by some stretch) might be considered “Sexual” by some such as
the “Lingerie Shows” that Anna decries, or establishments like yours,
Paradise Lakes, Hedonism 1-(Whatever) or Hippy Hollow.
It bugs me that they try to distance themselves from anything that
they think will ‘contaminate their nudism’.
They are seriously deluded in thinking that their telling everyone
that “That’s not real nudism” is not going to change what hose people
think once they have something in their minds, just as Anna and JonZee
clearly demonstrate here, we could talk until we’re blue in the face
and we wouldn’t change these two one iota.
Not to say that they’re ‘typical’ of what is out there in society, but
they are a fair example, and we see how this has worked on them.
They might as well accept that most people have already linked all
forms of nudism and stop wasting their time trying to deny a
connection that exists in everyone else’s minds and accept it.

As I said before, if I win the Lottery I would most likely open a
place similar to The Grand Barn. :0)

[Dan Myers]

Hey jZ,
"the swingers and sexual clubs are as close to fitting the moral
expectations of all
honorable citizens as it can get....if we believe and most folks
do ....that consenting adults have the right to interact the way they
choose if violence is not a factor....even exploitation is legal as
buyer beware is the rules of the game....."
If that was the case, then why do they have such a small following while
most honorable citizens keep their sex lives in their own places?  Violence
has NO place in either sex, swinging or nudism regardless who takes part in
it.
"so PETER Anna is all we
got ...because no regular nudist is ever gonna be honest and
say.....hey i would like to make a statement to the textile folks....i
like social nakedness for fun and relaxation..."
Well I do.
"but i admit ....only a
fool would see it as non sexual...."
Congratulations: European people and tribal types are 'fools' according to
you then?
"but i try to minimize my sexual adventures when being in social nude
situations....and i admit that
kids are subjected to a more realistic portrayal of adults in real
life with this sexual factor being present.....i want nudism to be
like me and minimize the sex part and for only parents that buy into
this environment to be welcome....."
But that would cause the nudist movement to die out - we need to be
marketing it to the next generations as well.  Public sex has no place in a
nudist environment.
"and i realize that the family of sexual adventurist are present at one time
or another but they usually
conform to a minimazation of sexual behavior and i certainly am not
blaming them....you textiles can blame the act of exposing total
nudity to one another and i am not here to argue that point....but i
still love to participate for fun and relaxation.....so you have now
got the full truth from a minimal sexual nudist and i think of myself
as a good guy.....joe doe from idaho......."
"so PETER if you have any of
these type guys come through your club would you have them post in rec
nude...i would love to hear from a person like
that......regards.....your friend john"
Peter doesn't need to refer them to rec.nude - he already has his
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gro...
They don't go dumping on other nudist places, and Peter is astute enough to
allow them the freedom to visit traditional nudist places as well as his
own.  Shame the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave" fellow who came in
here not too long ago and blurted out how he boased about dumping TBG from
the FCN and then skulked away.
Dario

Dario....i dont think violence should be a factor in sex
either....hope you didnt think i was saying it was....no one needs to
preach non sex to the next generation....teaching a lie is not
moral.....look Dario....please read what i say here.....nudist say get
rid of the body shame...erections is a part of normal life and that is
good and in the same breath they say cover it with a towel.....this is
the stupid words of all nudist camp and aanr and tns......no towel is
needed to cover an erection ...that is saying i am ashamed of
it.....only a hanky or cleenex to tend to it if needed....but this one
issue is the one that convicts all nudist world wide....the textiles
see this stupid statement as being ....it is ok to have an erection
and let the environment be sexual if you please...nudist can never be
credible until they drop the mention of body shame and say no erection
allowed under any circumstances....or better than that...just simply
say...... sure erections are ok as that is a part of sexuality and
that is what social nakedness is all about.......regards....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I do have to agree (at least to a point) with JonZee here, I find this
"No Erections Allowed Rule" to be stupid, I mean though there are many
of us that can control an erection, there are also people that can not
and not all erections are caused by "Sexual Excitement".
Heck 9 days out of 10 I wake up with an erection, not because I'm
'horney', it's because I need to piss.

Punishing someone for something they may not be able to control is
ridiculous, Hell I've had to concentrate at keeping down an erection
at work because a pretty young (30+ year old, JonZee) lady smiled at
me, and I don't work naked, nor do the people I work with dress "sexy".

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

Hey jZ,
"the swingers and sexual clubs are as close to fitting the moral
expectations of all
honorable citizens as it can get....if we believe and most folks
do ....that consenting adults have the right to interact the way they
choose if violence is not a factor....even exploitation is legal as
buyer beware is the rules of the game....."
If that was the case, then why do they have such a small following while
most honorable citizens keep their sex lives in their own places?  Violence
has NO place in either sex, swinging or nudism regardless who takes part in
it.
"so PETER Anna is all we
got ...because no regular nudist is ever gonna be honest and
say.....hey i would like to make a statement to the textile folks....i
like social nakedness for fun and relaxation..."
Well I do.
"but i admit ....only a
fool would see it as non sexual...."
Congratulations: European people and tribal types are 'fools' according to
you then?
"but i try to minimize my sexual adventures when being in social nude
situations....and i admit that
kids are subjected to a more realistic portrayal of adults in real
life with this sexual factor being present.....i want nudism to be
like me and minimize the sex part and for only parents that buy into
this environment to be welcome....."
But that would cause the nudist movement to die out - we need to be
marketing it to the next generations as well.  Public sex has no place in a
nudist environment.
"and i realize that the family of sexual adventurist are present at one time
or another but they usually
conform to a minimazation of sexual behavior and i certainly am not
blaming them....you textiles can blame the act of exposing total
nudity to one another and i am not here to argue that point....but i
still love to participate for fun and relaxation.....so you have now
got the full truth from a minimal sexual nudist and i think of myself
as a good guy.....joe doe from idaho......."
"so PETER if you have any of
these type guys come through your club would you have them post in rec
nude...i would love to hear from a person like
that......regards.....your friend john"
Peter doesn't need to refer them to rec.nude - he already has his
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gro...
They don't go dumping on other nudist places, and Peter is astute enough to
allow them the freedom to visit traditional nudist places as well as his
own.  Shame the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave" fellow who came in
here not too long ago and blurted out how he boased about dumping TBG from
the FCN and then skulked away.
Dario

Dario....i dont think violence should be a factor in sex
either....hope you didnt think i was saying it was....no one needs to
preach non sex to the next generation....teaching a lie is not
moral.....look Dario....please read what i say here.....nudist say get
rid of the body shame...erections is a part of normal life and that is
good and in the same breath they say cover it with a towel.....this is
the stupid words of all nudist camp and aanr and tns......no towel is
needed to cover an erection ...that is saying i am ashamed of
it.....only a hanky or cleenex to tend to it if needed....but this one
issue is the one that convicts all nudist world wide....the textiles
see this stupid statement as being ....it is ok to have an erection
and let the environment be sexual if you please...nudist can never be
credible until they drop the mention of body shame and say no erection
allowed under any circumstances....or better than that...just simply
say...... sure erections are ok as that is a part of sexuality and
that is what social nakedness is all about.......regards....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I do have to agree (at least to a point) with JonZee here, I find this
"No Erections Allowed Rule" to be stupid, I mean though there are many
of us that can control an erection, there are also people that can not
and not all erections are caused by "Sexual Excitement".
Heck 9 days out of 10 I wake up with an erection, not because I'm
'horney', it's because I need to piss.
Punishing someone for something they may not be able to control is
ridiculous, Hell I've had to concentrate at keeping down an erection
at work because a pretty young (30+ year old, JonZee) lady smiled at
me, and I don't work naked, nor do the people I work with dress "sexy".- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

i luv it Peter....just more rhetoric to build up my indictment
against these wholesome nudist.....so just plain social nudity where
everyone maintains eye contact has got to be just like heads floating
around in space....ow cud it be sexual....but hey whut if en a pretty
smiles at another head huh......uh oh i git my day made frum all dis
stuff...john

[Dan Myers]

Post by Dan Myers

Dario....i dont think violence should be a factor in sex
either....hope you didnt think i was saying it was....no one needs to
preach non sex to the next generation....teaching a lie is not
moral.....look Dario....please read what i say here.....nudist say get
rid of the body shame...erections is a part of normal life and that is
good and in the same breath they say cover it with a towel.....this is
the stupid words of all nudist camp and aanr and tns......no towel is
needed to cover an erection ...that is saying i am ashamed of
it.....only a hanky or cleenex to tend to it if needed....but this one
issue is the one that convicts all nudist world wide....the textiles
see this stupid statement as being ....it is ok to have an erection
and let the environment be sexual if you please...nudist can never be
credible until they drop the mention of body shame and say no erection
allowed under any circumstances....or better than that...just simply
say...... sure erections are ok as that is a part of sexuality and
that is what social nakedness is all about.......regards....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I do have to agree (at least to a point) with JonZee here, I find this
"No Erections Allowed Rule" to be stupid, I mean though there are many
of us that can control an erection, there are also people that can not
and not all erections are caused by "Sexual Excitement".
Heck 9 days out of 10 I wake up with an erection, not because I'm
'horney', it's because I need to piss.
Punishing someone for something they may not be able to control is
ridiculous, Hell I've had to concentrate at keeping down an erection
at work because a pretty young (30+ year old, JonZee) lady smiled at
me, and I don't work naked, nor do the people I work with dress "sexy".- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I love it Peter....just more rhetoric to build up my indictment
against these wholesome nudist.....so just plain social nudity where
everyone maintains eye contact has got to be just like heads floating
around in space....how could it be sexual....but hey what if a pretty
smiles at another head huh......uh oh I get my day made from all this
stuff...john- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Thing is JonZee, while I do agree with you about the “Erections are
natural” part, I do have to say that though erections are natural and
that people should not be penalized for a natural response, that we
can control other aspects of it.

I mean as with the young lady at work, I had a ‘reaction’ but that did
not mean I was going to ‘jump’ her right there on the spot, it did not
even mean that I would (or did) later.
What basically happened is I had a natural response and I controlled
myself, now if I had been naked the reaction would have been obvious,
as it stands though I think there are times when even though clothed
the reaction with some men is still obvious, now none of this means
that anything sexual will occur because us ‘higher animals’ can
control our behaviours.

Now to go from a different angle, if I and the young lady were at a
clothing optional venue and the same thing were to occur and she were
amenable than I think we should be able to retire to our private place
and ‘enjoy’ ourselves without having some rude-prude raise a stink
about propriety.

Now if we were at an establishment that allowed “Adult Activities” in
public than that is our choice as responsible adults and to have these
(on Rec.Nude) prudes trying to tell us what we can or can not do and
still call ourselves nudists just gets my hackles up.
I am a nudist no matter what these guys want to say and it doesn’t
change that if I want to have a little sweet houghmagandy with my wife
or with my girlfriend or even if I want to do it with several women I
met ten minutes ago, and it also should not be their business if I do
it ‘bareback’ or not, that is my/our choice and to try to say we
aren’t responsible adults because we make these choices is (in my
opinion) rather arrogant of them (sound familiar “arrogant”).

You are right about the “Floating Heads” thing, I hear people say that
quite often that they maintain eye contact and don’t pay attention to
the body, they act as if there is no body under that ‘eye contact’,
that all there is at the nudist venues they go to are (as you say) a
bunch of floating heads.

Thing is whether I’m clothed or naked underneath my head are arms,
legs, and all the other parts that are natural on my body.
I have pectorals, my lady friends have breasts.
They have an Ass (butt, booty, derriere, tush, bum), I have a (rather
more hirsute) ass.
I have a crotch (credit JonZee) with a penis and testes (by any other
name), They also have a crotch with labia and hair with the internal
parts.

Why try to deny that these other parts below the neck exist??

At the same time I don’t see any real reason to deny natural reactions
from or because of these below the neck parts.

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Dario....i dont think violence should be a factor in sex
either....hope you didnt think i was saying it was....no one needs to
preach non sex to the next generation....teaching a lie is not
moral.....look Dario....please read what i say here.....nudist say get
rid of the body shame...erections is a part of normal life and that is
good and in the same breath they say cover it with a towel.....this is
the stupid words of all nudist camp and aanr and tns......no towel is
needed to cover an erection ...that is saying i am ashamed of
it.....only a hanky or cleenex to tend to it if needed....but this one
issue is the one that convicts all nudist world wide....the textiles
see this stupid statement as being ....it is ok to have an erection
and let the environment be sexual if you please...nudist can never be
credible until they drop the mention of body shame and say no erection
allowed under any circumstances....or better than that...just simply
say...... sure erections are ok as that is a part of sexuality and
that is what social nakedness is all about.......regards....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I do have to agree (at least to a point) with JonZee here, I find this
"No Erections Allowed Rule" to be stupid, I mean though there are many
of us that can control an erection, there are also people that can not
and not all erections are caused by "Sexual Excitement".
Heck 9 days out of 10 I wake up with an erection, not because I'm
'horney', it's because I need to piss.
Punishing someone for something they may not be able to control is
ridiculous, Hell I've had to concentrate at keeping down an erection
at work because a pretty young (30+ year old, JonZee) lady smiled at
me, and I don't work naked, nor do the people I work with dress "sexy".- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 I love it Peter....just more rhetoric to build up my indictment
against these wholesome nudist.....so just plain social nudity where
everyone maintains eye contact has got to be just like heads floating
around in space....how could it be sexual....but hey what if a pretty
smiles at another head huh......uh oh I get my day made from all this
stuff...john- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Thing is JonZee, while I do agree with you about the “Erections are
natural” part, I do have to say that though erections are natural and
that people should not be penalized for a natural response, that we
can control other aspects of it.
I mean as with the young lady at work, I had a ‘reaction’ but that did
not mean I was going to ‘jump’ her right there on the spot, it did not
even mean that I would (or did) later.
What basically happened is I had a natural response and I controlled
myself, now if I had been naked the reaction would have been obvious,
as it stands though I think there are times when even though clothed
the reaction with some men is still obvious, now none of this means
that anything sexual will occur because us ‘higher animals’ can
control our behaviours.
Now to go from a different angle, if I and the young lady were at a
clothing optional venue and the same thing were to occur and she were
amenable than I think we should be able to retire to our private place
and ‘enjoy’ ourselves without having some rude-prude raise a stink
about propriety.
Now if we were at an establishment that allowed “Adult Activities” in
public than that is our choice as responsible adults and to have these
(on Rec.Nude) prudes trying to tell us what we can or can not do and
still call ourselves nudists just gets my hackles up.
I am a nudist no matter what these guys want to say and it doesn’t
change that if I want to have a little sweet houghmagandy with my wife
or with my girlfriend or even if I want to do it with several women I
met ten minutes ago, and it also should not be their business if I do
it ‘bareback’ or not, that is my/our choice and to try to say we
aren’t responsible adults because we make these choices is (in my
opinion) rather arrogant of them (sound familiar “arrogant”).
You are right about the “Floating Heads” thing, I hear people say that
quite often that they maintain eye contact and don’t pay attention to
the body, they act as if there is no body under that ‘eye contact’,
that all there is at the nudist venues they go to are (as you say) a
bunch of floating heads.
Thing is whether I’m clothed or naked underneath my head are arms,
legs, and all the other parts that are natural on my body.
I have pectorals, my lady friends have breasts.
They have an Ass (butt, booty, derriere, tush, bum), I have a (rather
more hirsute) ass.
I have a crotch (credit JonZee) with a penis and testes (by any other
name), They also have a crotch with labia and hair with the internal
parts.
Why try to deny that these other parts below the neck exist??
At the same time I don’t see any real reason to deny natural reactions
from or because of these below the neck parts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

well you sound now like a person i was telling PETER i would like to
post in rec nude.....a poster that is not trying to find a group to
cling to and do the usa political scenario....that we smart americans
are so sick and tired of and i am suspicious that the politicians and
nudist are not thinking we know what they are up to......it seems the
outspoken in todays society are the dumbest that we can find.....the
intelligent do not want to be talking ...otherwise some idiot will try
to associate him with the rest of the lunatics.....nuff said.....so i
can hear stuffed idiot say....well social nakedness was made really
for the blind....oh yeah i say.....so now we have blind folks that are
invited to a social naked experiment.....and fifty females and fifty
males are in a large room and told they can start taking their clothes
off.....blind folks have increased hearing ability and they hear the
buttons and zippers and clothes being manipulated to do just that and
then this guy hear those panties hit the concrete and he get an
erection.....what this all says is in a clothed society for many
hundreds of years the thought of overt nakedness with no reason other
than sexual is an arrousal tool in itself.......so i just wonder if
there is one unmoderated ng on the internet that could really be
unbiased for science sake and sake

....ok jonZeee we will admit social nudity is sexual naturally and can
we go forward and determine what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones....then what do we do.....well the sex should be
highlighted at all nudist facilities and the educated parents of
children will figure a way to bring their kids without the clubs
suffering any liability......this will happen in time if strict
security is provided to never let violence or other non child friendly
behaviors occur......and everyone lived happily ever after......jz

[Peter Riden]

Post by Zee

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Dario....i dont think violence should be a factor in sex
either....hope you didnt think i was saying it was....no one needs to
preach non sex to the next generation....teaching a lie is not
moral.....look Dario....please read what i say here.....nudist say get
rid of the body shame...erections is a part of normal life and that is
good and in the same breath they say cover it with a towel.....this is
the stupid words of all nudist camp and aanr and tns......no towel is
needed to cover an erection ...that is saying i am ashamed of
it.....only a hanky or cleenex to tend to it if needed....but this one
issue is the one that convicts all nudist world wide....the textiles
see this stupid statement as being ....it is ok to have an erection
and let the environment be sexual if you please...nudist can never be
credible until they drop the mention of body shame and say no erection
allowed under any circumstances....or better than that...just simply
say...... sure erections are ok as that is a part of sexuality and
that is what social nakedness is all about.......regards....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I do have to agree (at least to a point) with JonZee here, I find this
"No Erections Allowed Rule" to be stupid, I mean though there are many
of us that can control an erection, there are also people that can not
and not all erections are caused by "Sexual Excitement".
Heck 9 days out of 10 I wake up with an erection, not because I'm
'horney', it's because I need to piss.
Punishing someone for something they may not be able to control is
ridiculous, Hell I've had to concentrate at keeping down an erection
at work because a pretty young (30+ year old, JonZee) lady smiled at
me, and I don't work naked, nor do the people I work with dress "sexy".- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 I love it Peter....just more rhetoric to build up my indictment
against these wholesome nudist.....so just plain social nudity where
everyone maintains eye contact has got to be just like heads floating
around in space....how could it be sexual....but hey what if a pretty
smiles at another head huh......uh oh I get my day made from all this
stuff...john- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Thing is JonZee, while I do agree with you about the “Erections are
natural” part, I do have to say that though erections are natural and
that people should not be penalized for a natural response, that we
can control other aspects of it.
I mean as with the young lady at work, I had a ‘reaction’ but that did
not mean I was going to ‘jump’ her right there on the spot, it did not
even mean that I would (or did) later.
What basically happened is I had a natural response and I controlled
myself, now if I had been naked the reaction would have been obvious,
as it stands though I think there are times when even though clothed
the reaction with some men is still obvious, now none of this means
that anything sexual will occur because us ‘higher animals’ can
control our behaviours.
Now to go from a different angle, if I and the young lady were at a
clothing optional venue and the same thing were to occur and she were
amenable than I think we should be able to retire to our private place
and ‘enjoy’ ourselves without having some rude-prude raise a stink
about propriety.
Now if we were at an establishment that allowed “Adult Activities” in
public than that is our choice as responsible adults and to have these
(on Rec.Nude) prudes trying to tell us what we can or can not do and
still call ourselves nudists just gets my hackles up.
I am a nudist no matter what these guys want to say and it doesn’t
change that if I want to have a little sweet houghmagandy with my wife
or with my girlfriend or even if I want to do it with several women I
met ten minutes ago, and it also should not be their business if I do
it ‘bareback’ or not, that is my/our choice and to try to say we
aren’t responsible adults because we make these choices is (in my
opinion) rather arrogant of them (sound familiar “arrogant”).
You are right about the “Floating Heads” thing, I hear people say that
quite often that they maintain eye contact and don’t pay attention to
the body, they act as if there is no body under that ‘eye contact’,
that all there is at the nudist venues they go to are (as you say) a
bunch of floating heads.
Thing is whether I’m clothed or naked underneath my head are arms,
legs, and all the other parts that are natural on my body.
I have pectorals, my lady friends have breasts.
They have an Ass (butt, booty, derriere, tush, bum), I have a (rather
more hirsute) ass.
I have a crotch (credit JonZee) with a penis and testes (by any other
name), They also have a crotch with labia and hair with the internal
parts.
Why try to deny that these other parts below the neck exist??
At the same time I don’t see any real reason to deny natural reactions
from or because of these below the neck parts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

well you sound now like a person i was telling PETER i would like to
post in rec nude.....a poster that is not trying to find a group to
cling to and do the usa political scenario....that we smart americans
are so sick and tired of and i am suspicious that the politicians and
nudist are not thinking we know what they are up to......it seems the
outspoken in todays society are the dumbest that we can find.....the
intelligent do not want to be talking ...otherwise some idiot will try
to associate him with the rest of the lunatics.....nuff said.....so i
can hear stuffed idiot say....well social nakedness was made really
for the blind....oh yeah i say.....so now we have blind folks that are
invited to a social naked experiment.....and fifty females and fifty
males are in a large room and told they can start taking their clothes
off.....blind folks have increased hearing ability and they hear the
buttons and zippers and clothes being manipulated to do just that and
then this guy hear those panties hit the concrete and he get an
erection.....what this all says is in a clothed society for many
hundreds of years the thought of overt nakedness with no reason other
than sexual is an arrousal tool in itself.......so i just wonder if
there is one unmoderated ng on the internet that could really be
unbiased for science sake and sake
....ok jonZeee we will admit social nudity is sexual naturally and can
we go forward and determine what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones....then what do we do.....well the sex should be
highlighted at all nudist facilities and the educated parents of
children will figure a way to bring their kids without the clubs
suffering any liability......this will happen in time if strict
security is provided to never let violence or other non child friendly
behaviors occur......and everyone lived happily ever after......jz

Dan & John,
AS you can see, taking the time to read one another and fully
understanding what the real scope is being expressed in your postings
and it is easy to observe that here arte 2 gentlemen who thinbk very
much alike.
Sometimes we get distracted by fast unthought replies and lose the
essence of like minded people who need to realize they envision the
same global scope.
John mentioned earlier about "...willy's (Bill Pennington) place on I
10 has shown to be sexual at times even with kids around", something
confirmed by Kathleen's a while back, yes the stuffy kind (as in
Stuffed miaw Tiger) will close their eyes on such and will be rabid
about what us gentlemen welcome.
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.
And Dario stating the following "the same thing cannot be said for
that "Dave (Flemming)" fellow who came in here not too long ago and
blurted out how he boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then
skulked away. " is helping confirming that indeed the solution to
those misfits claims is to look us up at THE GRAND BARN.
So, gentlemen.. keep paying attention to what you rightly write and
keep in that well advised direction.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
http://www.myspace.com/peter_riden
http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterriden
http://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRiden
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden

[Dan Myers]

Post by Peter Riden
Dan & John,
AS you can see, taking the time to read one another and fully
understanding what the real scope is being expressed in your postings
and it is easy to observe that here arte 2 gentlemen who thinbk very
much alike.
Sometimes we get distracted by fast unthought replies and lose the
essence of like minded people who need to realize they envision the
same global scope.
John mentioned earlier about "...willy's (Bill Pennington) place on I
10 has shown to be sexual at times even with kids around", something
confirmed by Kathleen's a while back, yes the stuffy kind (as in
Stuffed miaw Tiger) will close their eyes on such and will be rabid
about what us gentlemen welcome.
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.
And Dario stating the following "the same thing cannot be said for
that "Dave (Flemming)" fellow who came in here not too long ago and
blurted out how he boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then
skulked away. " is helping confirming that indeed the solution to
those misfits claims is to look us up at THE GRAND BARN.
So, gentlemen.. keep paying attention to what you rightly write and
keep in that well advised direction.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarnhttp://www.myspace.com/peter_ridenhttp://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRidenhttp://twitter.com/PeterRiden- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Like I said in my other thread.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude/browse_frm/thread/80b5635e781ac3bb?hl=en

This covers how I feel about it.

I do find it hilarious that people like Looser and Tiger try to say
that I haven't stated my definition of nudism, when I've done it since
I first started posting 200 years ago.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
<***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

...

I do find it hilarious that people like ... and Tiger try to say
that I haven't stated my definition of nudism, when I've done it since
I first started posting 200 years ago.

Sorry, Dan. I tried to find it, but Google doesn't go back 200 years.

You, OTOH, are certainly crusty enough to go back 200 years. :-)

[Dan Myers]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

I do find it hilarious that people like ... and Tiger try to say
that I haven't stated my definition of nudism, when I've done it since
I first started posting 200 years ago.

Sorry, Dan. I tried to find it, but Google doesn't go back 200 years.
You, OTOH, are certainly crusty enough to go back 200 years. :-)

The Ladies see nothing wrong with my age, they find my experience to
be a turn on.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
<***@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:

...

Post by Peter Riden
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."

Peter, JonZee says he is a pedophile. If that is your idea of who you
want to be one of you, fine. We agree. Please take him with you.

Post by Peter Riden
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.

If "nature intended" some adult to want to shoot you, I would not
agree to "let it also be" regardless of how much I might disagree with
your silly pontifications.

Post by Peter Riden
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.

Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."

Peter, JonZee says he is a pedophile. If that is your idea of who you
want to be one of you, fine. We agree. Please take him with you.

Post by Peter Riden
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.

If "nature intended" some adult to want to shoot you, I would not
agree to "let it also be" regardless of how much I might disagree with
your silly pontifications.

That sounded like a borderline deathwish..

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Peter Riden
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.

Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

Funny how you act as though someone having sex somewhere at a venue is
"Thrusting" it upon you.

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."

Peter, JonZee says he is a pedophile. If that is your idea of who you
want to be one of you, fine. We agree. Please take him with you.

Post by Peter Riden
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.

If "nature intended" some adult to want to shoot you, I would not
agree to "let it also be" regardless of how much I might disagree with
your silly pontifications.

That sounded like a borderline deathwish..

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Peter Riden
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.

Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

Funny how you act as though someone having sex somewhere at a venue is
"Thrusting" it upon you.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of wholesome nudist....they do
the ol personal attack and coward away from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ......i bet he even is a liar when he says he
is not a pedo.....come on idiot tell us you are not turned on to that
cheerleader child at the school house......yeah buddy she has got it
all and it sure looks good.....does these damned lying nudist ever
look at them selves ....well PETER sure looks like some nudist camp
owners have taken a look at them and decided to update their
businesses to accomodate the more honest type folks rather than the
lying coward idiots like stuffed tiger.....jz

[Dan Myers]

Post by Zee

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."

Peter, JonZee says he is a pedophile. If that is your idea of who you
want to be one of you, fine. We agree. Please take him with you.

Post by Peter Riden
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.

If "nature intended" some adult to want to shoot you, I would not
agree to "let it also be" regardless of how much I might disagree with
your silly pontifications.

That sounded like a borderline deathwish..

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Peter Riden
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.

Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

Funny how you act as though someone having sex somewhere at a venue is
"Thrusting" it upon you.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of wholesome nudist....they do
the ol personal attack and coward away from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ......i bet he even is a liar when he says he
is not a pedo.....come on idiot tell us you are not turned on to that
cheerleader child at the school house......yeah buddy she has got it
all and it sure looks good.....does these damned lying nudist ever
look at them selves ....well PETER sure looks like some nudist camp
owners have taken a look at them and decided to update their
businesses to accomodate the more honest type folks rather than the
lying coward idiots like stuffed tiger.....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I may not go as far as the Pedo part (though you never know) but I
have to ask why people think sex isn't "Wholesome"?

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Zee

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
That's also why Peter & Friends do salute John's accurate comments
when it reads as follow... "what we should do about this new agreed
upon truth.....first we will include TGB and other sexual naked places
as being one of us and totally agree that they were the smart and
honest ones.."

Peter, JonZee says he is a pedophile. If that is your idea of who you
want to be one of you, fine. We agree. Please take him with you.

Post by Peter Riden
It means if nothing else than being at one with nature has to happen
so be it and if being an adult as nature intented so let it also be
it.

If "nature intended" some adult to want to shoot you, I would not
agree to "let it also be" regardless of how much I might disagree with
your silly pontifications.

That sounded like a borderline deathwish..

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Peter Riden
Dan, John, Dario and many other (I can certainly add Mitch in here)
have long recognized this... and we take it from there.

Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

Funny how you act as though someone having sex somewhere at a venue is
"Thrusting" it upon you.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of wholesome nudist....they do
the ol personal attack and coward away from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ......i bet he even is a liar when he says he
is not a pedo.....come on idiot tell us you are not turned on to that
cheerleader child at the school house......yeah buddy she has got it
all and it sure looks good.....does these damned lying nudist ever
look at them selves ....well PETER sure looks like some nudist camp
owners have taken a look at them and decided to update their
businesses to accomodate the more honest type folks rather than the
lying coward idiots like stuffed tiger.....jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I may not go as far as the Pedo part (though you never know) but I
have to ask why people think sex isn't "Wholesome"?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

shhhhhh....an i wuz gonna git to dat a leetel later tater...once we
git past dis hard on thing.....deees egits kant handle two thangs at
once.....it maeks um crawl back in der shell.....jz

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:01:57 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
<***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

...

I have to ask why people think sex isn't "Wholesome"?

Maybe that was rhetorical. Anyway here's one answer ...

Most people I know seem to believe that some form of sex or other is
wholesome and other forms not, but they do not always agree.

Generally, I believe that sex forced by one person on another is not
wholesome, and sex that is irresponsible (in that it does real harm as
well as perhaps some good) is not wholesome.

Other than that, I would think consensual sex, as a gift from our
Creator, is natural and eminently wholesome, if a bit messy.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden

...

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

...

Then let me spell it out for you.

Nudists want to be able to share facilities with textiles, such as
beaches, pools, bowling, skating, boating and so on, but textiles
don't agree. The reasons why don't matter. Nudists should have a right
to share these kinds of facilities with textiles, but not necessarily
at the same time and place. So either make distinct parts of the beach
clothing optional or make a facility available to each group at
different times. That's a common solution. Doesn't always work to
everyone's satisfaction, but it often works well enough.

Swingers like you want to swing at facilities with nudists/naturists.
But nudist/naturist families and many singles don't want swinging
couples engaged in sex to surprise them with their exploits in front
of the kids. The reasons why don't matter. What is needed is to make
distinct times and places for each group as above.

That can work.

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden

...

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

...
Then let me spell it out for you.
Nudists want to be able to share facilities with textiles, such as
beaches, pools, bowling, skating, boating and so on, but textiles
don't agree. The reasons why don't matter. Nudists should have a right
to share these kinds of facilities with textiles, but not necessarily
at the same time and place. So either make distinct parts of the beach
clothing optional or make a facility available to each group at
different times. That's a common solution. Doesn't always work to
everyone's satisfaction, but it often works well enough.
Swingers like you want to swing at facilities with nudists/naturists.
But nudist/naturist families and many singles don't want swinging
couples engaged in sex to surprise them with their exploits in front
of the kids. The reasons why don't matter. What is needed is to make
distinct times and places for each group as above.
That can work.

It not only can work - It does work!

We operate with 3 very distinct seasons....

Currently Until 1st October '09 The White Cockatoo is Operating as a
Fully Clothed Conventional Family Resort. (children welcome and nudity
prohibited)

From 1st October '09 to 19th December '09 The White Cockatoo will
Operate as a Nudist Resort - Not Clothing Optional. (children welcome
and any form of public/overt sexual behaviour is unwelcome and such
behaviour results in immediate eviction)

From 29th December '09 to 31st March '10 - Adults Only - Almost
Anything Goes - Get Plucked @ The White Cockatoo. (strictly over 18yo
only with nudity permitted and preferred)

So clearly we are doing almost exactly as you outline, Stuffed Tiger,
and it works very well for us.

Where the problem arises for us is when the idiot minority of game-
players choose the wrong season and then seek to make their own rules.
History shows we do not tolerate those type ;)

To some degree another unfortunate aspect is when the media, and some
ill-informed fools here, choose to label us as a Nudist Resort no
matter the time of year or content of comment. As can be seen above we
are only a Nudist Resort for part of each year, very successfully
though I might add, but because this aspect has always sold a lot of
newspapers then this is what they focus on.

Needless to say we'll likely be labelled as a Swingers Resort more
heading into the future, however again by the ill-informed or simply
those seeking to forward their own agenda.

No matter the case or situation.... It's Always Great Fun In The
Sun :)

Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Peter Riden]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden

...

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Dario does not agree that sexual naked places are nudist. I mean, who
cares if a pool is textile one day and nudist the next, or a resort is
for adults six months and nudists the other six? Who cares if a movie
theater shows G film in the afternoon and R films at night?

Ah, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, but I
suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

...
Then let me spell it out for you.
Nudists want to be able to share facilities with textiles, such as
beaches, pools, bowling, skating, boating and so on, but textiles
don't agree. The reasons why don't matter. Nudists should have a right
to share these kinds of facilities with textiles, but not necessarily
at the same time and place. So either make distinct parts of the beach
clothing optional or make a facility available to each group at
different times. That's a common solution. Doesn't always work to
everyone's satisfaction, but it often works well enough.
Swingers like you want to swing at facilities with nudists/naturists.
But nudist/naturist families and many singles don't want swinging
couples engaged in sex to surprise them with their exploits in front
of the kids. The reasons why don't matter. What is needed is to make
distinct times and places for each group as above.
That can work.

It not only can work - It does work!
We operate with 3 very distinct seasons....
Currently Until 1st October '09 The White Cockatoo is Operating as a
Fully Clothed Conventional Family Resort. (children welcome and nudity
prohibited)
From 1st October '09 to 19th December '09 The White Cockatoo will
Operate as a Nudist Resort - Not Clothing Optional. (children welcome
and any form of public/overt sexual behaviour is unwelcome and such
behaviour results in immediate eviction)
From 29th December '09 to 31st March '10 - Adults Only - Almost
only with nudity permitted and preferred)
So clearly we are doing almost exactly as you outline, Stuffed Tiger,
and it works very well for us.
Where the problem arises for us is when the idiot minority of game-
players choose the wrong season and then seek to make their own rules.
History shows we do not tolerate those type ;)
To some degree another unfortunate aspect is when the media, and some
ill-informed fools here, choose to label us as a Nudist Resort no
matter the time of year or content of comment. As can be seen above we
are only a Nudist Resort for part of each year, very successfully
though I might add, but because this aspect has always sold a lot of
newspapers then this is what they focus on.
Needless to say we'll likely be labelled as a Swingers Resort more
heading into the future, however again by the ill-informed or simply
those seeking to forward their own agenda.
No matter the case or situation.... It's Always Great Fun In The
Sun :)
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

Good to read from you, again, Tony.
Busy on this side so posts are scarce and replying to those who know
better is what it's all about.
The frustrated ones and our (or at least my) declared enemies can keep
going on with their inanities as it only helps us demonstrate we're
the alternative to their nonsense. You rightly mention about the need
for labels from some when it comes to identify what we offer, even if
we cater to quite a diversity of positive individuals. And obviously
you're one of the likes in the re-corrected subject title..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
<***@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:

...

Post by Peter Riden
The frustrated ones and our (or at least my) declared enemies can keep
going on with their inanities as it only helps us demonstrate we're
the alternative to their nonsense. You rightly mention about the need
for labels from some when it comes to identify what we offer, even if
we cater to quite a diversity of positive individuals. And obviously
you're one of the likes in the re-corrected subject title..;-)

Peter, Peter, Peter. You are so paranoid.

Nobody cares if some nudists go to your TGB and enjoy themselves
swinging with other like minded people. There is no need to justify
TGB to nudists/naturists. Just say what you are, a year round place
for swingers, not a nudist resort, as you sort of do on your website.

What's wrong with that? There are lots of swinger places, and I don't
ever even mention them on Rec.Nude, let alone criticize them.

It is YOU who come here to Rec.Nude and intrude with your notions of
how the TGB somehow represent an improvement. It isn't. It is just
another alternative to family nudism/naturism among many, like KOA.

It is family naturism/nudism that is inclusive, providing a path back
to our humanity for every age group. It is family nudism/naturism that
is real and important and certainly not "nonsense" as you claim. It is
naturist families that need to be protected and provided for, not
those who want to carry on sexual activity in the midst of others.

There are plenty of places and ways for people to swing. Adults can
get together for sexual activities pretty much anywhere in the world
as long as it's with other adults.

It is Naturist families that are being excluded in nearly every place
and time from having family activities with other naturist families.

That doesn't mean you are the enemy. To the contrary. Those who are
anti-naturist are the enemy, not you. It is just that you are not
helping us but rather hurting us with your mixing adult sex activity
into nudism. That is the opposite of what the White Cockatoo does.

We need you to stop hurting our cause, however slight, and start
helping us instead. It might even be good for your business.

[Zee]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
The frustrated ones and our (or at least my) declared enemies can keep
going on with their inanities as it only helps us demonstrate we're
the alternative to their nonsense. You rightly mention about the need
for labels from some when it comes to identify what we offer, even if
we cater to quite a diversity of positive individuals. And obviously
you're one of the likes in the re-corrected subject title..;-)

Peter, Peter, Peter. You are so paranoid.
Nobody cares if some nudists go to your TGB and enjoy themselves
swinging with other like minded people. There is no need to justify
TGB to nudists/naturists. Just say what you are, a year round place
for swingers, not a nudist resort, as you sort of do on your website.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of swinger places, and I don't
ever even mention them on Rec.Nude, let alone criticize them.
It is YOU who come here to Rec.Nude and intrude with your notions of
how the TGB somehow represent an improvement. It isn't. It is just
another alternative to family nudism/naturism among many, like KOA.
It is family naturism/nudism that is inclusive, providing a path back
to our humanity for every age group. It is family nudism/naturism that
is real and important and certainly not "nonsense" as you claim. It is
naturist families that need to be protected and provided for, not
those who want to carry on sexual activity in the midst of others.
There are plenty of places and ways for people to swing. Adults can
get together for sexual activities pretty much anywhere in the world
as long as it's with other adults.
It is Naturist families that are being excluded in nearly every place
and time from having family activities with other naturist families.
That doesn't mean you are the enemy. To the contrary. Those who are
anti-naturist are the enemy, not you. It is just that you are not
helping us but rather hurting us with your mixing adult sex activity
into nudism. That is the opposite of what the White Cockatoo does.
We need you to stop hurting our cause, however slight, and start
helping us instead. It might even be good for your business.

oh my gawd....PETER this stuffy idiot child is giving all TGB
followers fair warning...that his titanic of phony nudism is sinking
and when it does those idiot losers are gonna blame you and the
followers.....and he wants us to help him...it goes like this....you
help a chronic bad kid and while you are doing he is coming up with
new ways to destruct it further making your efforts futile....they
cant even figure out why the erection is shameful and stutter when
media chides them on the issue....and media thinks they are a bunch of
trashy mal contents....and lookin at this stuffy kid and where he
comes from...i think they are right......fox will go adults only
within a couple of years as his kiddie nudism will not pay the
rent.....regards...john

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Zee....Just in case no-one has told you lately.... You are a total
fuckwit!

Beyond me why Peter Riden would even consider aligning himself with
you, let alone doing so!

BTW... I don't pay rent. I own my property and business!

But if I decide to drop my nude seasons and go further into adults
only seasons that will be based on sound business sense, and you will
be the last person I will consult when and if making that decision!

Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Zee]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Zee....Just in case no-one has told you lately.... You are a total
fuckwit!
Beyond me why Peter Riden would even consider aligning himself with
you, let alone doing so!
BTW... I don't pay rent. I own my property and business!
But if I decide to drop my nude seasons and go further into adults
only seasons that will be based on sound business sense, and you will
be the last person I will consult when and if making that decision!
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

well i can tell ya right up front fellow....i usually determine the
decent character of folks i offer advise to and you do not meet those
qualifications.....you are nothing but a simple child abuser and a
pervert for advocating and promoting child nakedness in
public.....because you know you are promoting child sexuality in
public because of said nudity....so you can fuck off to hell as for as
i am concerned....jz

[Peter Riden]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Zee....Just in case no-one has told you lately.... You are a total
fuckwit!
Beyond me why Peter Riden would even consider aligning himself with
you, let alone doing so!

Tony, I could ask why you would align yourself with Stuffed Tiger and
others who have publicly attacked and criticized me for championing
freedom in a way that few have done thus far. And what makes the
likes of Stuffy and his kind more dangerous is that they will repeat
our lines of thoughts in some sentences yet will vehemently attack
what we stand for... or in this case maybe I've succeeded to have
Stuffy finally accepting your presentation which obviously is very
much like mine... minus the labels.
I know that in their case it's more of a personal vendetta against me
but the basic of such vendetta is my offering of the more open-minded
kind versus their restrictive, rabid claims of placid nude recreation.
I've been upfront and my few enemies really hate me for that but you
know I don't flirt with them nor trust them.
It helps to keep focused as to who could try jeopardizing what we
stand for.

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
BTW... I don't pay rent. I own my property and business!

You've done good Tony... no doubts in my mind and you are to be
congratulated for that.

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
But if I decide to drop my nude seasons and go further into adults
only seasons that will be based on sound business sense, and you will
be the last person I will consult when and if making that decision!

When it comes to decide what you or me want to do with our ventures...
we know what, when, why and how.... absolutely and to the displeasure
of those who resent that we succeed more than they can stand it. You
keep doing what you know best and you can be sure it is what is
happening on my side.
That's why I also let you align with those you want, even some of my
verbal enemies (who deny that, one way, and act it up the other way)
and that I will keep aligning with those who present no buzzing
threats or minimal disruptions against what I'm doing..;-)

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:53:18 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
<***@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:

...

Post by Peter Riden
Stuffy finally accepting your presentation which obviously is very
much like mine... minus the labels.

Peter, I agree that you are giving nudists the freedom to swing at
your place. That's not the issue.

You are also giving non-nudists the freedom to swing. Nudists and
non-nudists, all at the same time and place, all swinging...

That makes you a swinger place, not a nudist place.

Here's why. At a swinger place, a person should know that they might
encounter explicit sexual activity. No problem. At a nudist place,
like Haulover or Gunnison, a person should know that they might
encounter nudity, but certainly not explicit sexual activity.

Peter, why does that give you a problem?

When you don't call yourself a nudist resort, I don't care. When you
come on Rec.Nude and float the trial balloon that you are a nudist
resort, I do care. I'm not saying you can't be both. I'm saying you
cannot be both at the same place and time.

Nudism and Swinging are not the same thing. Why does that give you a
problem?

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Peter Riden
Tony, I could ask why you would align yourself with Stuffed Tiger and
others who have publicly attacked and criticized me for championing
freedom in a way that few have done thus far.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com

Peter,

At no stage have I aligned myself with Stuffed Tiger, or anyone else
for that matter.

I simply answered his observations and questions that he presented to
me in a sensible manner, just as I do in a professional manner on a
daily basis to countless enquiries.

Sorry, but I see no reason not to accept Stuffed Tigers business,
should he wish to share some of his hard-earned with me, nor any other
potential guest who voices an understanding of that which we provide.

I have better things to do than to try and work out any potential
guests allegiances, political views, likes, dislikes, or otherwise,
and really none of them are of any consequence to me providing that
when they come here they fit in with the majority and not try to force
their views on others not interested.

Yes, I do support what you do with your business, labels or not, just
as I support any operator making their own choices for the success of
their own business.

But again to reiterate.... I value my independence and have never
aligned myself with any person or organisation, pertaining to my
business, albeit visibly supporting many as I do yours Peter.

Regards

Tony Fox

@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Peter Riden]

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Peter Riden
Tony, I could ask why you would align yourself with Stuffed Tiger and
others who have publicly attacked and criticized me for championing
freedom in a way that few have done thus far.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N.

Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Peter,
At no stage have I aligned myself with Stuffed Tiger, or anyone else
for that matter.

Let's say... chatting with Stuffy in a friendly way the way I chose to
do with John..;-)
And me being averse to Stuffy the way you are with John..;-)

Post by Stuffed Tiger
I simply answered his observations and questions that he presented to
me in a sensible manner, just as I do in a professional manner on a
daily basis to countless enquiries.

But you still were aware of the direct insipidities directed my way
by

Stuffy which insipidities contradict what you and I stand for.
Sensible to me is when a line of thoughts by one individual remains
cohesive and supports the entity it claims to support.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Sorry, but I see no reason not to accept Stuffed Tigers business,
should he wish to share some of his hard-earned with me, nor any other
potential guest who voices an understanding of that which we provide.

We both see and agree that there wouldn't be any reason not to accept
one's business, you with Stuffy and me with John nor any other
potential "guest who voices an understanding of that which we
provide."
and not those we know oppose to it..;-)

Post by Stuffed Tiger
I have better things to do than to try and work out any potential
guests allegiances, political views, likes, dislikes, or otherwise,
and really none of them are of any consequence to me providing that
when they come here they fit in with the majority and not try to force
their views on others not interested.

Unless they come at your venue and start disrupting.. you know the
feeling and I want to prevent that feeling, Tony

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Yes, I do support what you do with your business, labels or not, just
as I support any operator making their own choices for the success of
their own business.

We both strongly support each other because we are both fully in tune
with the big world out there and not the small groups of malcontents
that we like to address, still, once in a while..;-)

Post by Stuffed Tiger
But again to reiterate.... I value my independence and have never
aligned myself with any person or organisation, pertaining to my
business, albeit visibly supporting many as I do yours Peter.

I don't mind linking with other like-minded, Tony, and I believe it's
the same for you..;-)

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Regards

You take good care and keep doing what you know best.
It works for both of us and others we know..;-)

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Peter Riden]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
The frustrated ones and our (or at least my) declared enemies can keep
going on with their inanities as it only helps us demonstrate we're
the alternative to their nonsense. You rightly mention about the need
for labels from some when it comes to identify what we offer, even if
we cater to quite a diversity of positive individuals. And obviously
you're one of the likes in the re-corrected subject title..;-)

Peter, Peter, Peter. You are so paranoid.
Nobody cares if some nudists go to your TGB and enjoy themselves
swinging with other like minded people. There is no need to justify
TGB to nudists/naturists. Just say what you are, a year round place
for swingers, not a nudist resort, as you sort of do on your website.
What's wrong with that? There are lots of swinger places, and I don't
ever even mention them on Rec.Nude, let alone criticize them.
It is YOU who come here to Rec.Nude and intrude with your notions of
how the TGB somehow represent an improvement. It isn't. It is just
another alternative to family nudism/naturism among many, like KOA.
It is family naturism/nudism that is inclusive, providing a path back
to our humanity for every age group. It is family nudism/naturism that
is real and important and certainly not "nonsense" as you claim. It is
naturist families that need to be protected and provided for, not
those who want to carry on sexual activity in the midst of others.
There are plenty of places and ways for people to swing. Adults can
get together for sexual activities pretty much anywhere in the world
as long as it's with other adults.
It is Naturist families that are being excluded in nearly every place
and time from having family activities with other naturist families.
That doesn't mean you are the enemy. To the contrary. Those who are
anti-naturist are the enemy, not you. It is just that you are not
helping us but rather hurting us with your mixing adult sex activity
into nudism. That is the opposite of what the White Cockatoo does.
We need you to stop hurting our cause, however slight, and start
helping us instead. It might even be good for your business.

The biggest danger against free spirited destinations is the likes of
you.
Paranoid... make me laugh.
If you'd be as known publicly as I am which obviously will never
happen... you'd realize you make many friends but you have nasty
characters who envy you and will try anything (anonymously of course)
to go after you and try obstruct whatever you still accomplish. I can
pride myself that my accomplishments are numerous enough to get
praised by the many... but also it's being attacked by the likes of
you.
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.
so saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoghts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.
In the case of John I believe I've been clear but some have not read
the reasons behind our continued and trusted friendship.
Tony (Fox) was asking why I have no problem with John... well find me
one instance where John tried to compromise what I stand for.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
<***@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:

...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.

I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.

Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.

What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.

I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."

Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.

I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by caving.

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
so saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoghts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.

We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.

This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.

I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.

Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

[Zee]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.
What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by caving.

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
so saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoghts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

Peter ...this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
that Anna is right about this guy.....he and fox are of the same
dna.....jz.

[Peter Riden]

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.
What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
So saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoughts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

Peter ..

Hi John, once more.

Post by Zee
.this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
that Anna is right about this guy....

AS you've long observed, John, Stuffy contradicts himself so blatantly
that it's not funny.
Telling me he has no problem with me and TGB and at once coming with
insipidities such as "not the real and potentially dangerous sexual
contact of TGB." among other of his insipidities written in the past.
And of course always changing the subject title against TGB which I
have to rectify every time. And all this hypocrisy blurted everyday
that says one thing yet demonstrates the opposite. Indeed it makes
for
a serious encumbrance for those who want a clear breeze when it comes
to adult socializing Nude Recreation.
He denies, yet at once, he proves to be one of the very shifter that
is
a liability to have around for those who seek clear and loyal support
for what they offer as a venture.

Post by Zee
.he and fox are of the same dna....
jz.

Tony would be more of my DNA, John.
Except that Tony got carried by the wave of malcontents and didn't
take
time to realize you repeatedly had very supportive words for his
stance.. a lot like the way I am when it comes to admit we're
realistic
in what we offer to the knowing public at large.
In fact you, along with Dario, have been expressing quite some
support
for Tony because you realize he offered much of what is offered at
TGB.
But Tony might not have picked up on this.
I vaguely go through what my opponents write unless directed at me
so,
maybe, Tony skipped many of your good thoughts on his business and
just
got carried away riding the wave which in turn got you also carried
away towards him. It's all a matter of really keeping focused on who
"tried to compromise what I stand for. "
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.
What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
So saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoughts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

Peter ..

Hi John, once more.

Post by Zee
.this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
that Anna is right about this guy....

AS you've long observed, John, Stuffy contradicts himself so blatantly
that it's not funny.
Telling me he has no problem with me and TGB and at once coming with
insipidities such as "not the real and potentially dangerous sexual
contact of TGB." among other of his insipidities written in the past.
And of course always changing the subject title against TGB which I
have to rectify every time. And all this hypocrisy blurted everyday
that says one thing yet demonstrates the opposite. Indeed it makes
for
a serious encumbrance for those who want a clear breeze when it comes
to adult socializing Nude Recreation.
He denies, yet at once, he proves to be one of the very shifter that
is
a liability to have around for those who seek clear and loyal support
for what they offer as a venture.

Post by Zee
.he and fox are of the same dna....
jz.

Tony would be more of my DNA, John.
Except that Tony got carried by the wave of malcontents and didn't
take
time to realize you repeatedly had very supportive words for his
stance.. a lot like the way I am when it comes to admit we're
realistic
in what we offer to the knowing public at large.
In fact you, along with Dario, have been expressing quite some
support
for Tony because you realize he offered much of what is offered at
TGB.
But Tony might not have picked up on this.
I vaguely go through what my opponents write unless directed at me
so,
maybe, Tony skipped many of your good thoughts on his business and
just
got carried away riding the wave which in turn got you also carried
away towards him. It's all a matter of really keeping focused on who
"tried to compromise what I stand for. "
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

very good Peter and easy to understand and follow....yes my situation
here in rec nude is that i know who you are but i am not sure who
everyone else is in their heads.....i am bombarded by posters that may
not be as envolved in rec nude as i with all the many issues of
morality and behavior and of course always being a defender of the
textiles and their viewpoints....so as to be as unbiased as possible
to all persons concerned.....yes i never said anything about Tony and
i do see him as having the right stuff to manage his adults business
but for some reason he made a statement out of the clear blue sky that
he resented me when he was involved with another poster.....if it is
slow here i may take the time to call him out and it will be on my
terms...this is sorta what happened and now he does not offer those
remarks about how he feels about me.....but as you say i think he is
nearly as close to you as one can get with his similiar business he
operates.....and of course my experience in the sex businesses...nude
dance and nude modeling studios are similiar.....Dan is interesting
with his experience but is a little lacking in nudist camp and family
nudism experience....but seems willing to learn.....i sure wish i
could come your way and still maybe i can make it...it just seems i
have so many lose ends to tie up constantly and cant get away....your
friend....john

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.
What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
So saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoughts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

Peter ..

Hi John, once more.

Post by Zee
.this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
that Anna is right about this guy....

AS you've long observed, John, Stuffy contradicts himself so blatantly
that it's not funny.
Telling me he has no problem with me and TGB and at once coming with
insipidities such as "not the real and potentially dangerous sexual
contact of TGB." among other of his insipidities written in the past.
And of course always changing the subject title against TGB which I
have to rectify every time. And all this hypocrisy blurted everyday
that says one thing yet demonstrates the opposite. Indeed it makes
for
a serious encumbrance for those who want a clear breeze when it comes
to adult socializing Nude Recreation.
He denies, yet at once, he proves to be one of the very shifter that
is
a liability to have around for those who seek clear and loyal support
for what they offer as a venture.

Post by Zee
.he and fox are of the same dna....
jz.

Tony would be more of my DNA, John.
Except that Tony got carried by the wave of malcontents and didn't
take
time to realize you repeatedly had very supportive words for his
stance.. a lot like the way I am when it comes to admit we're
realistic
in what we offer to the knowing public at large.
In fact you, along with Dario, have been expressing quite some
support
for Tony because you realize he offered much of what is offered at
TGB.
But Tony might not have picked up on this.
I vaguely go through what my opponents write unless directed at me
so,
maybe, Tony skipped many of your good thoughts on his business and
just
got carried away riding the wave which in turn got you also carried
away towards him. It's all a matter of really keeping focused on who
"tried to compromise what I stand for. "
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.

Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.

His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.

Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.

However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!

I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.

However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
reality is:

During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!

As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.

Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!

Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!

We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.

That's Our Reality.

Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!

Regards

Tony Fox

@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Zee]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
stand for in the next.

Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
you are doing.
What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by

Post by Peter Riden
And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.

No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.

Post by Peter Riden
So saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
of thoughts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
no way would I ever trust you or your kind.

Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.

Peter ..

Hi John, once more.

Post by Zee
.this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
that Anna is right about this guy....

AS you've long observed, John, Stuffy contradicts himself so blatantly
that it's not funny.
Telling me he has no problem with me and TGB and at once coming with
insipidities such as "not the real and potentially dangerous sexual
contact of TGB." among other of his insipidities written in the past.
And of course always changing the subject title against TGB which I
have to rectify every time. And all this hypocrisy blurted everyday
that says one thing yet demonstrates the opposite. Indeed it makes
for
a serious encumbrance for those who want a clear breeze when it comes
to adult socializing Nude Recreation.
He denies, yet at once, he proves to be one of the very shifter that
is
a liability to have around for those who seek clear and loyal support
for what they offer as a venture.

Post by Zee
.he and fox are of the same dna....
jz.

Tony would be more of my DNA, John.
Except that Tony got carried by the wave of malcontents and didn't
take
time to realize you repeatedly had very supportive words for his
stance.. a lot like the way I am when it comes to admit we're
realistic
in what we offer to the knowing public at large.
In fact you, along with Dario, have been expressing quite some
support
for Tony because you realize he offered much of what is offered at
TGB.
But Tony might not have picked up on this.
I vaguely go through what my opponents write unless directed at me
so,
maybe, Tony skipped many of your good thoughts on his business and
just
got carried away riding the wave which in turn got you also carried
away towards him. It's all a matter of really keeping focused on who
"tried to compromise what I stand for. "
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

well if you had explained your contempt to the other poster you were
talkin with ...it would have saved all the contempt i dealt your
way....so here i am right now saying who am i to say you are lying
about your non sexual child friendly wholesome environment....i am not
from australia and so rant on.....but i gotta tell ya Tony ...your
rant is identical to the rants over the years here in the usa....so
you have no right to insinuate that i do not always tell the truth
about what i have encountered in the usa....you should praise me for
spending so much time to destroy the credibility of so called posters
that put out the same rant as you but are lying like dogs or either so
ignorant they cannot help themselves.....kids in my opinion are sexual
in the usa .....and remove their clothes with strange adults is a
sexual explosion lookin for a place to happen and i can assure the
world that it will happen..at sometime in the future..... but if you
say that is not so in australia....i will not call you a liar.....and
feel free to rant on but it is so idential to the thousands of rants
from usa typical nudist that is is memorized by all and is now quite
boring.....jz

[Peter Riden]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
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well Peter you are right about the dual orientations of nude
recreation that Tony says works so well....here in the usa where free
speech is rampant...the masses really get to going when a particular
club has sex for sex seekers and children for children and family
fun.....they pick up on that real quick like and so does the
media....its called burning the candle at both ends and i would doubt
that anyone would attempt such an operation here....there will always
be the smaller camps all tucked away somewhere with the ol family
members and friends but the ones that do million dollar updates to the
property cannot survive on the family situation....even olive dell in
ca still has water hauled because over the 60 years they have been
there they have not made enough money to dig a well......well little
stuffy may be throwing in the towel as he damned well should....at
least try being a man and shut up his crazy talk about how wholesome
his nudist are and how evil you are with your happy adults and capable
son that is controlling the fun stuff at your place.....regards..john

[Zee]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
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PETER....it seems that if a person is trying to find the real true
answer to lifes problems...one has to go outbounds from everyone else
if possible and usually it is possible.....ie....hell there is
thousands of books by phds and a host of other professionals plus cult
following parents that can tell everyone how children behave when
confronted with nudity and sexuality.....and of course the cult types
would be the tribal rec nude crowd including a few from down
under....i appreciate your professional repertoire sp. with tony it is
expected that decent professional owners of business conduct
themselves like you demonstrate......but here i am in a sea of folks
that have a vested interest in stating things a certain way.....well i
guess i am an odd ball as i used to tell the girls....especially the
young ones....in my office.....so you wanna be a nude dancer....i want
to tell you the bad things about it as we all know the good
things.....and i alerted them to the fact that ex convict and
prisoners that get released usually pay us a visit as it is usually on
the high priority list of things to do....and of course the the tip
money floats in the air here and there is plenty of folks wanting to
share those big tips with the girls....as a matter of fact there is
plenty of sorry guys that want to manage your life for you....they are
called pimps.....so i am a nutty guy but you know Peter those girls
would lay down their life for me and that is quite unusual for that
type of business....now tony tells it just like little stuffy....i
mean all the way to punctuation about not a hint of problems..sex
wise.... between clientele or staff regarding children...but i gotta
tell ya i aint no fool either.....unless he only has one or two kids
around that place and that could be true.....but if it has several he
aint telling the whole story and that is why we have a friendship i
can expect full disclosure from you as i will reciprocate as you well
know.....and rec nude does educate.....Dario and tony are from down
under and i have learned they are not loyal to the conservative party
which is not saying the liberal are all that bad in australia.....but
i pick up on their immature attitude as blaming their govt for sucking
up to the usa on just about everything ....when maturity says that
australia has the identical same configuated existence in the world as
the usa....and has no other option but to react to the world the same
as the usa....they do not suck up and neither do we but i bet their
govt has a bunch of real misfits like these two guys.....that pitch
the ol lying bullshit like little stuffy but however Dario is probably
younger and he is willing to learn and admits he does learn and he
sees sexuality among the children while tony has never seen anything
so now you sorta get the picture....kind regards...jz

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
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Now if I was speaking to your face Peter....

Pete, Mate, I think you are far too hung up on these bloody perceived
enemies!

I didn't just arrive yesterday, and have been around the net a long
time, so I'm a man of awareness...

I guarantee you there are more than double the negative comments about
myself personally and my pride, The White Cockatoo, around the net....
if not literally thousands more!

Going back a few years I had the Australian Nudist Federation and The
Australian Free Beach Association, along with a number of other self-
professed prominent Aussie Nudists (including Dario Western), and even
the organisor of a Naturist Political Party, plus the Peter Knights,
and other pretentious tossers, doing their absolute best to destroy my
business and close us down.

There were even other Nudist Venues doing their utmost to discredit
us, whilst at the same time holding secret swingers parties
themselves!

I took 'em all on to begin with before realising every single one of
them was a waste of space!

Fuckwits the lot of 'em, with not a brain between them.

So after a while I simply let them have their way with their ill-
informed and ignorant comments and ignored them for the most part,
while always being aware nonetheless ;)

Needless to say not only do any of the above detractors have any say
in today's world, The ANF & The FBA are now organisations with
completely different people involved and nothing more than a name
these days, The Naturist Politacal Party has gone, along with many of
the self-professed prominent nudists and nudist businesses from that
time.

Funnily enough even some of the early Yahoo & MSN Group owners who
went out of their way to try and damage us are now some of our
greatest supporters, albeit for the most part rather secretively as
their previous life now gives them the ability to furnish us with the
stuff that might matter ;)

Dario - Well he'll just say whatever he thinks will win him that
popularity contest on the day! Go back no more than a few months and
read some of his BS.... What was it.... The Shite Cockatoo? Then more
recently he praises us... WTF? lol

And I do laugh 'cos despite all this crap over many years, Well guess
what Pete? I'm still fucking here, and I'm even richer now than I was
then!

Secret to my Success? Focusing on the Happy People :) Ignoring the
disgruntled fools.

I did try for year or so to satisfy all.... but fuck I started aging
too quickly so gave that up as a bad idea!

The Big Joke is Nudists thought they might be doing me a favour by
coming here when the reality is I am doing them a favour by providing
this lovely establishment for their pleasure.

Nudists don't pay the bills here - I do! So I, and only I, make every
single decision to cater for our guests.... Not the online dickheads
who have never been near the place!

We simply do what suits us, and our clientele, and like you Pete as
land and business owners we can make our choices as we see fit to best
suit our future....

Which brings me back to the topic at hand.....

Jonzee is a fuckwit and there is nothing you can say to convince me
otherwise. Stupid rabid rantings that, when they do make sense, do
little more than denigrate almost every other soul on the planet!

AND... Having a great awareness as to what happens online in regards
to any form of Nudist establishment worldwide, without Annas stupid
input, you are wasting too much time being concerned about what anyone
might have to say here... along with the focus frequently voiced about
the "Little Tribe". None of it matters.....

Just focus on the positives...

I Do And, believe me, It Works For Me ;)

Tony Fox

@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Peter Riden]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
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Now if I was speaking to your face Peter....
Pete, Mate, I think you are far too hung up on these bloody perceived
enemies!
I didn't just arrive yesterday, and have been around the net a long
time, so I'm a man of awareness...
I guarantee you there are more than double the negative comments about
myself personally and my pride, The White Cockatoo, around the net....
if not literally thousands more!
Going back a few years I had the Australian Nudist Federation and The
Australian Free Beach Association, along with a number of other self-
professed prominent Aussie Nudists (including Dario Western), and even
the organisor of a Naturist Political Party, plus the Peter Knights,
and other pretentious tossers, doing their absolute best to destroy my
business and close us down.
There were even other Nudist Venues doing their utmost to discredit
us, whilst at the same time holding secret swingers parties
themselves!
I took 'em all on to begin with before realising every single one of
them was a waste of space!
Fuckwits the lot of 'em, with not a brain between them.
So after a while I simply let them have their way with their ill-
informed and ignorant comments and ignored them for the most part,
while always being aware nonetheless ;)
Needless to say not only do any of the above detractors have any say
in today's world, The ANF & The FBA are now organisations with
completely different people involved and nothing more than a name
these days, The Naturist Politacal Party has gone, along with many of
the self-professed prominent nudists and nudist businesses from that
time.
Funnily enough even some of the early Yahoo & MSN Group owners who
went out of their way to try and damage us are now some of our
greatest supporters, albeit for the most part rather secretively as
their previous life now gives them the ability to furnish us with the
stuff that might matter ;)
Dario - Well he'll just say whatever he thinks will win him that
popularity contest on the day! Go back no more than a few months and
read some of his BS.... What was it.... The Shite Cockatoo? Then more
recently he praises us... WTF? lol
And I do laugh 'cos despite all this crap over many years, Well guess
what Pete? I'm still fucking here, and I'm even richer now than I was
then!
Secret to my Success? Focusing on the Happy People :) Ignoring the
disgruntled fools.
I did try for year or so to satisfy all.... but fuck I started aging
too quickly so gave that up as a bad idea!
The Big Joke is Nudists thought they might be doing me a favour by
coming here when the reality is I am doing them a favour by providing
this lovely establishment for their pleasure.
Nudists don't pay the bills here - I do! So I, and only I, make every
single decision to cater for our guests.... Not the online dickheads
who have never been near the place!
We simply do what suits us, and our clientele, and like you Pete as
land and business owners we can make our choices as we see fit to best
suit our future....
Which brings me back to the topic at hand.....
Jonzee is a fuckwit and there is nothing you can say to convince me
otherwise. Stupid rabid rantings that, when they do make sense, do
little more than denigrate almost every other soul on the planet!
AND... Having a great awareness as to what happens online in regards
to any form of Nudist establishment worldwide, without Annas stupid
input, you are wasting too much time being concerned about what anyone
might have to say here... along with the focus frequently voiced about
the "Little Tribe". None of it matters.....
Just focus on the positives...
I Do And, believe me, It Works For Me ;)
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What's a friend for, Tony..;-)
I know you act as a good frien, here, and you want me to keep doing
well..;-)
But I strongly believe you read more into what my few critics try to
imply about me than I do myself, Tony.
Check the frequency of my posts and you can observe that I come when I
wish and I take care of far more serious and interesting business most
of the time.
So I don't think that I lose very much time in here. Visibility and
promo.. that's what it's about. Good or bad.. the public is left to
take it from there..;-)
In fact you are more of a proficient poster in here than I am, Tony.
But you speak like a friend and I can tell you that most of what you
say you do seems to have been my approach in what I do on my side.
And I find myself very composed when I answer... even to my few
disgruntled critics... as rare as the case is.
But because, as you rightly write,... "We simply do what suits us, and
our clientele, and like you Pete as land and business owners we can
make our choices as we see fit to best suit our future...." we succeed
in what we believe... it's a fact that not every one is happy about
our success.. and the topic at hands is what strategy the small
opposition uses to attack our successful ventures.... in this case
more specifically THE GRAND BARN.
But my answering any time is also based on the fact that I keep adding
more visibility to my links and ventures... thus having even more of a
flow of potential new supporters/visitors to my endeavors..;-) And I
see you have been doing the same... so it's never wasting our time
when we keep promoting ourselves and offer the perfect answer to what
the more open-minded and friendly people demand.
And I believe that there are plenty who respect and appreciate what
I'm doing... so I shall gently become more of the observer and leave
my son Thaila to gain more assertiveness so that what I offer can go
on with newer blood and as John rightly points out... ".the last
person on the internet to be paranoid is sir Peter Riden....he sits up
in cool Canada where the corn always sprouts and lets his son run his
business while totally away from the fracus and stupidity...".
So, all in all, my friend/mate, Tony... I just keep doing what I see
fit and nothing less... and nothing more..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Peter Riden

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
in tune with that which you provide.
Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
touch with reality it's laughable!
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
the property.
Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
with children!
Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
to me, it's just downright stupidity!
We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
but it simply doesn't happen.
That's Our Reality.
Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
Regards
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What you write above only gives more ammunition to John to get rabid
against those who have been attacking me for reasons that I have
repeated many times before.
You mention that you have different themes, if not necessarily
different crowds, at given times of the year. Namely one that you call
"Nudist Season".
That doesn't make you any less the open-minded and quite free-spirited
individual you are all year long.
Now, my enemies will say that it's OK for you to say you welcome
families (including children) at the same destination where you also
hold your no holds barred themes season. You can do what you want with
your nice location, Tony, as I certainly believe in free enterprise.
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony... believe me
I'm pleased to have achieved that, but doesn't it feel strange that
for them it's OK for you but allegedly wrong for me to offer different
themes as has been the case for the last 20 years.
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.
Best is don't get in the line of fire... because you offer exactly
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger. And, like you, if any suspicious
character would have dare attempting anything wrong it would have been
taken care of/dealt with expediently.
But curious.. my few enemies think that I can't have both at the same
place. Now the new twist is that with you, Tony, and I'm glad about
it, you can have both at the same place but not at the same time. NO
surprise John can get rightly riled up. I definitely have you helping
me proving my few opponents do not like that I don't sing along with
their placid tune.
But I will certainly encourage you to keep going the way it works best
for you as I'm doing on this side, Tony!
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
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Now if I was speaking to your face Peter....
Pete, Mate, I think you are far too hung up on these bloody perceived
enemies!
I didn't just arrive yesterday, and have been around the net a long
time, so I'm a man of awareness...
I guarantee you there are more than double the negative comments about
myself personally and my pride, The White Cockatoo, around the net....
if not literally thousands more!
Going back a few years I had the Australian Nudist Federation and The
Australian Free Beach Association, along with a number of other self-
professed prominent Aussie Nudists (including Dario Western), and even
the organisor of a Naturist Political Party, plus the Peter Knights,
and other pretentious tossers, doing their absolute best to destroy my
business and close us down.
There were even other Nudist Venues doing their utmost to discredit
us, whilst at the same time holding secret swingers parties
themselves!
I took 'em all on to begin with before realising every single one of
them was a waste of space!
Fuckwits the lot of 'em, with not a brain between them.
So after a while I simply let them have their way with their ill-
informed and ignorant comments and ignored them for the most part,
while always being aware nonetheless ;)
Needless to say not only do any of the above detractors have any say
in today's world, The ANF & The FBA are now organisations with
completely different people involved and nothing more than a name
these days, The Naturist Politacal Party has gone, along with many of
the self-professed prominent nudists and nudist businesses from that
time.
Funnily enough even some of the early Yahoo & MSN Group owners who
went out of their way to try and damage us are now some of our
greatest supporters, albeit for the most part rather secretively as
their previous life now gives them the ability to furnish us with the
stuff that might matter ;)
Dario - Well he'll just say whatever he thinks will win him that
popularity contest on the day! Go back no more than a few months and
read some of his BS.... What was it.... The Shite Cockatoo? Then more
recently he praises us... WTF? lol
And I do laugh 'cos despite all this crap over many years, Well guess
what Pete? I'm still fucking here, and I'm even richer now than I was
then!
Secret to my Success? Focusing on the Happy People :) Ignoring the
disgruntled fools.
I did try for year or so to satisfy all.... but fuck I started aging
too quickly so gave that up as a bad idea!
The Big Joke is Nudists thought they might be doing me a favour by
coming here when the reality is I am doing them a favour by providing
this lovely establishment for their pleasure.
Nudists don't pay the bills here - I do! So I, and only I, make every
single decision to cater for our guests.... Not the online dickheads
who have never been near the place!
We simply do what suits us, and our clientele, and like you Pete as
land and business owners we can make our choices as we see fit to best
suit our future....
Which brings me back to the topic at hand.....
Jonzee is a fuckwit and there is nothing you can say to convince me
otherwise. Stupid rabid rantings that, when they do make sense, do
little more than denigrate almost every other soul on the planet!
AND... Having a great awareness as to what happens online in regards
to any form of Nudist establishment worldwide, without Annas stupid
input, you are wasting too much time being concerned about what anyone
might have to say here... along with the focus frequently voiced about
the "Little Tribe". None of it matters.....
Just focus on the positives...
I Do And, believe me, It Works For Me ;)
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What's a friend for, Tony..;-)
I know you act as a good frien, here, and you want me to keep doing
well..;-)
But I strongly believe you read more into what my few critics try to
imply about me than I do myself, Tony.
Check the frequency of my posts and you can observe that I come when I
wish and I take care of far more serious and interesting business most
of the time.
So I don't think that I lose very much time in here. Visibility and
promo.. that's what it's about. Good or bad.. the public is left to
take it from there..;-)
In fact you are more of a proficient poster in here than I am, Tony.
But you speak like a friend and I can tell you that most of what you
say you do seems to have been my approach in what I do on my side.
And I find myself very composed when I answer... even to my few
disgruntled critics... as rare as the case is.
But because, as you rightly write,... "We simply do what suits us, and
our clientele, and like you Pete as land and business owners we can
make our choices as we see fit to best suit our future...." we succeed
in what we believe... it's a fact that not every one is happy about
our success.. and the topic at hands is what strategy the small
opposition uses to attack our successful ventures.... in this case
more specifically THE GRAND BARN.
But my answering any time is also based on the fact that I keep adding
more visibility to my links and ventures... thus having even more of a
flow of potential new supporters/visitors to my endeavors..;-) And I
see you have been doing the same... so it's never wasting our time
when we keep promoting ourselves and offer the perfect answer to what
the more open-minded and friendly people demand.
And I believe that there are plenty who respect and appreciate what
I'm doing... so I shall gently become more of the observer and leave
my son Thaila to gain more assertiveness so that what I offer can go
on with newer blood and as John rightly points out... ".the last
person on the internet to be paranoid is sir Peter Riden....he sits up
in cool Canada where the corn always sprouts and lets his son run his
business while totally away from the fracus and stupidity...".
So, all in all, my friend/mate, Tony... I just keep doing what I see
fit and nothing less... and nothing more..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

A well thought out reply Pete, Well done and thanks.

Yes, Definitely on the same page where fools attacking us simply
provide more awareness of our product.

The Nice Normal Folks seem to work it out for themselves ;)

Cheers

Tony

@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australia
http://www.tropicsfun.com

[Peter Riden]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Peter Riden

.....Just focus on the positives...
I Do And, believe me, It Works For Me ;)
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

What's a friend for, Tony..;-)
I know you act as a good frien, here, and you want me to keep doing
well..;-)
But I strongly believe you read more into what my few critics try to
imply about me than I do myself, Tony.
Check the frequency of my posts and you can observe that I come when I
wish and I take care of far more serious and interesting business most
of the time.
So I don't think that I lose very much time in here. Visibility and
promo.. that's what it's about. Good or bad.. the public is left to
take it from there..;-)
In fact you are more of a proficient poster in here than I am, Tony.
But you speak like a friend and I can tell you that most of what you
say you do seems to have been my approach in what I do on my side.
And I find myself very composed when I answer... even to my few
disgruntled critics... as rare as the case is.
But because, as you rightly write,... "We simply do what suits us, and
our clientele, and like you Pete as land and business owners we can
make our choices as we see fit to best suit our future...." we succeed
in what we believe... it's a fact that not every one is happy about
our success.. and the topic at hands is what strategy the small
opposition uses to attack our successful ventures.... in this case
more specifically THE GRAND BARN.
But my answering any time is also based on the fact that I keep adding
more visibility to my links and ventures... thus having even more of a
flow of potential new supporters/visitors to my endeavors..;-) And I
see you have been doing the same... so it's never wasting our time
when we keep promoting ourselves and offer the perfect answer to what
the more open-minded and friendly people demand.
And I believe that there are plenty who respect and appreciate what
I'm doing... so I shall gently become more of the observer and leave
my son Thaila to gain more assertiveness so that what I offer can go
on with newer blood and as John rightly points out... ".the last
person on the internet to be paranoid is sir Peter Riden....he sits up
in cool Canada where the corn always sprouts and lets his son run his
business while totally away from the fracus and stupidity...".
So, all in all, my friend/mate, Tony... I just keep doing what I see
fit and nothing less... and nothing more..;-)
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agencyhttp://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities:http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...

A well thought out reply Pete, Well done and thanks.
Yes, Definitely on the same page where fools attacking us simply
provide more awareness of our product.
The Nice Normal Folks seem to work it out for themselves ;)
Cheers
Tony
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
Tropical Far North Queensland - Australiahttp://www.tropicsfun.com

Cheers to that, indeed, my friend Tony!!
Nice out there so I have to rush to enjoy with our friends..;-)
http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterriden
http://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRiden


In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
T.W.A.N.'s very own Online Travel Agency
http://www.twanvacations.com
And opportunities: http://www.ytb.com/twanvacations
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
<***@the-grand-barn.com> wrote:

...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Post by Peter Riden
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony

Tony needs no sympathy. He needs to provide family nudists with a
place they can go to without additional stigmatization as swingers.

...

Post by Peter Riden
I believe we both know better and it is in that spirit that John goes
after them.

John is an acknowledge pervert and pedophile. He has no idea how to go
after a normal person.


...

Post by Peter Riden
what I offer... the adult ewnvironment being our favorite but I can
tell you that any children would be safe at TGB as has been the case
when my children were younger.

Families need more than your personal feelings that it is so.

[s***@HOTMAIL.COM]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:42:10 -0400, Stuffed Tiger

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

And it's strange that Peter feels the, apparently, chrushing weight of
the prudes opinion. I mean, if one is secure in ones pursuits, one
hardly loses any sleep worrying about the opposition. But not Peter.
He comes crawling back to rec.nude over and over again, practically
begging us for absolution. It's sad, really. Peter is CLEARLY not sure
of his stated position.

-T.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Peter may call his establishment whatever he wants, you and AANR do
not hold any copyright to the terms "Nudist" or "Naturist", get over
yourselves.

[Anna]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Peter may call his establishment whatever he wants, you and AANR do
not hold any copyright to the terms "Nudist" or "Naturist", get over
yourselves.

It's called Truth in Advertising. Part of the Definition of the words
Nudist and Naturist is that the nudity is nonsexualized.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Peter may call his establishment whatever he wants, you and AANR do
not hold any copyright to the terms "Nudist" or "Naturist", get over
yourselves.

It's called Truth in Advertising.  Part of the Definition of the words
Nudist and Naturist is that the nudity is nonsexualized.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

WRONG!!!!


That is only 'YOUR' idea of the "Truth", and "YOUR" Defenition of the
words.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:51:44 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Post by Dan Myers

It's called Truth in Advertising.  Part of the Definition of the words
Nudist and Naturist is that the nudity is nonsexualized.

WRONG!!!!
That is only 'YOUR' idea of the "Truth", and "YOUR" Defenition of the
words.

It is a well declared and well known operating principle of organized
nudism and naturism. YOU may have some fantasies of how it could be
different, but as it stands, that is how it is.

BTW, that is also the standard of behavior for non-nudists in similar
environments but clothed (say in a bathing costume). As such, it is
the default standard for all those "closet" nudists or unaffiliated
that you would like to call nudists but who don't call themselves
nudists or identify as such. No family place is sexualized. Period.

You have no ground to stand on. Why do you keep annoying yourself.
Exercise leadership, organize and establish a place for your
principles and policies if you think they are so worthwhile. Why not?

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:56:18 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
...

Post by Peter Riden
But, on this side, when we are having distinct events/themes that
could obviously accommodate families... then it's not acceptable for
our few opponents.. we're the despicable and dangerous place that
needs to be avoided by the prudes at heart and we're labeled/branded
with the most despicable scenarios.

Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Peter may call his establishment whatever he wants, you and AANR do
not hold any copyright to the terms "Nudist" or "Naturist", get over
yourselves.

He could call it a Zoo but that wouldn't make it a Zoo. You do know
that, right? It's not a nudist facility. Not now. Not yesterday.
Calling it a nudist facility would be a mean-spirited, cynical lie.

[Neosapienis]

Hi ST,

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Post by Peter Riden
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony

Tony needs no sympathy. He needs to provide family nudists with a
place they can go to without additional stigmatization as swingers.

The White Cockatoo *is* a place for family nudists to go to if they so wish.
A family that I know whose mother has two pre-teen daughters took her and
her newly wed husband their for their honeymoon late last year. Do Tony and
I need to spell it out for you and "Anna"? Read my lips:

T-o-n-y d-o-e-s n-o-t h-o-l-d s-w-i-n-g p-a-r-t-i-e-s a-t t-h-e s-a-m-e
t-i-m-e a-s t-h-e f-a-m-i-l-y n-u-d-i-s-t p-a-r-t-i-e-s.

This is what the old crocks at the ANF could not seem to understand about
TWC, and the FCN about The Grand Barn. Neither Peter nor Tony have ever had
parties or condoned parties where adults go having it off in the presence of
the kids. And frankly if both of them have been in business for a
considerable amount of time, then they've got to be doing something right.


Best wishes,

Dario Western

[Dan Myers]

Post by Neosapienis
Hi ST,

Post by Stuffed Tiger
Asking you to avoid calling yourself a "nudist" facility is not
branding you with anything. It's asking you not to trade on family
nudists hard work to build up good will for nudism and nudists.

Post by Peter Riden
If in attacking me they now sympathize with you, Tony

Tony needs no sympathy. He needs to provide family nudists with a
place they can go to without additional stigmatization as swingers.

The White Cockatoo *is* a place for family nudists to go to if they so wish.
A family that I know whose mother has two pre-teen daughters took her and
her newly wed husband their for their honeymoon late last year.  Do Tony and
T-o-n-y d-o-e-s n-o-t h-o-l-d s-w-i-n-g p-a-r-t-i-e-s a-t t-h-e s-a-m-e
t-i-m-e a-s t-h-e f-a-m-i-l-y n-u-d-i-s-t p-a-r-t-i-e-s.
This is what the old crocks at the ANF could not seem to understand about
TWC, and the FCN about The Grand Barn.  Neither Peter nor Tony have ever had
parties or condoned parties where adults go having it off in the presence of
the kids.  And frankly if both of them have been in business for a
considerable amount of time, then they've got to be doing something right.
Best wishes,
Dario Western

Thank you for pointing that out Dario.

Too many of these people seem to believe the silliest things.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:30:13 GMT, "Neosapienis"

Post by Neosapienis
Hi ST,

...

Post by Neosapienis
This is what the old crocks at the ANF could not seem to understand about
TWC, and the FCN about The Grand Barn. Neither Peter nor Tony have ever had
parties or condoned parties where adults go having it off in the presence of
the kids. And frankly if both of them have been in business for a
considerable amount of time, then they've got to be doing something right.
Best wishes,
Dario Western

Dario, TGB is having swinger parties and is open for business as a
family place all at the same time and in the same place. Sorry. They
are anything but separate. It's a resort format that some may like a
lot better than a nudist resort format, but it isn't nudism.

Tony has distinct seasons and is strictly nudist in that season.

BTW, I have no objection to putting the kids to bed and then having a
swing-in in another part of the house. That IS swinging IMHO. The
party stuff is a poor imitation with sex trade overtones, again IMHO.

[Dan Abel]

In article

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.

Zee's memories of the 70's also appear to have little relation to what
happened in the 70's. He has been continually asked to document his
"memories", and he either doesn't, refuses, comes up with some reason
why he can't, says it isn't possible or refers people to an ancient web
page written by a former nudist who came to hate nudity after breaking
up with her nudist BF.

[Zee]

Post by Dan Abel
In article

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.

Zee's memories of the 70's also appear to have little relation to what
happened in the 70's.  He has been continually asked to document his
"memories", and he either doesn't, refuses, comes up with some reason
why he can't, says it isn't possible or refers people to an ancient web
page written by a former nudist who came to hate nudity after breaking
up with her nudist BF.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

you know Dan....i think you have average intelligence....but you are
so ignorant about the child sexual personna associated with family
nudism....now Dan has just met sudden death after he learned he was
wrong about how he felt family nudism was.....and you are going to be
buried alive with your hard headed wrong headed thinking on the sexual
aspect of family nudism....you along with others need to back off as
hell i am a roll now buddy....and i aint taking to prisoners.,.....jz

[Anna]

Post by Dan Abel
In article

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.

Zee's memories of the 70's also appear to have little relation to what
happened in the 70's.  He has been continually asked to document his
"memories", and he either doesn't, refuses, comes up with some reason
why he can't, says it isn't possible or refers people to an ancient web
page written by a former nudist who came to hate nudity after breaking
up with her nudist BF.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

I found some of the documentation. Admittedly because it happened so
long ago it isn't as easy as like linking to where a person might have
said White People are purposely poising black communities.

It was a different world back then. It was Life on Mars!

Oh those 70s.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by Dan Abel
In article

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.

Zee's memories of the 70's also appear to have little relation to what
happened in the 70's.  He has been continually asked to document his
"memories", and he either doesn't, refuses, comes up with some reason
why he can't, says it isn't possible or refers people to an ancient web
page written by a former nudist who came to hate nudity after breaking
up with her nudist BF.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

I found some of the documentation. Admittedly because it happened so
long ago it isn't as easy as like linking to where a person might have
said White People are purposely poising black communities.
It was a different world back then. It was Life on Mars!
Oh those 70s.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You are from another Planet, Bucko...

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT), TheWhiteCockatoo
<***@thewhitecockatoo.com> wrote:

...

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo
It not only can work - It does work!
We operate with 3 very distinct seasons....
Currently Until 1st October '09 The White Cockatoo is Operating as a
Fully Clothed Conventional Family Resort. (children welcome and nudity
prohibited)
From 1st October '09 to 19th December '09 The White Cockatoo will
Operate as a Nudist Resort - Not Clothing Optional. (children welcome
and any form of public/overt sexual behaviour is unwelcome and such
behaviour results in immediate eviction)
From 29th December '09 to 31st March '10 - Adults Only - Almost
only with nudity permitted and preferred)
So clearly we are doing almost exactly as you outline, Stuffed Tiger,
and it works very well for us.

...

Indeed, nudists/naturists must realize that half a loaf is better than
none and get on board. If we can share, we can open up opportunity.

That could work even for naturist housing. Just like loud noises might
be restricted to daytime, we might insist on clothing during working
hours weekdays except for those under twelve or in their back yards.

That's just an example. There could be clothed/nude days as another
example. Reasonable compromises to allow mixed use.

At least allow naturists the freedom of belief to have such places. No
state should be allowed to make laws prohibiting that outright as now.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
What matters is that we have legally sanctioned places and times for
nudist families, even families of one, to practice their beliefs in a
wholesome environment without having sexual activities thrust on them.

Funny how you act as though someone having sex somewhere at a venue is
"Thrusting" it upon you.

Only if it is thrust on me or someone else against our will. If it's
somewhere else at a venue, then that would not be "thrust" on me or
them, would it?

If I pay money to take the family to see Nemo and they decide to show
Silence of the Lambs, I may be a fan of the actors in Lambs, but that
doesn't mean I'd like Silence of the Lambs thrust on me and them.

That's why I used the words "thrust on them" rather than the words
"having sex somewhere at a venue" which are your words and have a
completely different meaning.

I don't care if they show Silence of the Lambs in the same theatre at
a different time or at the same time in a different theatre. It just
can't be in the same time and place.

Nor can someone having sex and family naturism/nudism.

[Peter Riden]

This visit, I spent some time with Thaila (Heir to the Throne of TGB)
and Shawna (who stole my heart ), Pasler, and re-met delightful
Yalitsa.

Spent some time with?
Are we talking about prostitution here?
Escorts?

Or it could just mean that this person 'spent some time' with these
people enjoying some quiet chit-chat over a Latte's.
Here you go insinuating things that are not evident in the post in
order to spin it your way.

well checking the pricing structure ...it is in line with ground fees
at other venues so i would think the pay of working girls is not
included and if you understand a honest person you would know
that......of what signifigance is the issue....prostitution is
everywhere and in nudist camps also......just check with the cleaning
lady or at the office.....hell they are in the sex business so whats
the problem.......jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My point though JonZee was that nowhere did it say that this person
did anything beyond merely talking over coffee with these people but
Anna was quick to interject sex.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 yeah....Anna fits the perfect profile of an ol camp owner that is
retiring and never had many folks on the grounds and is going to draw
SS and wonders if it will be enough and is blaming the nudist
clientele for all his problems....as it is soooooooo obvious that she
does not want to discuss anything pertaining to the concept of nudism
and how stupid their rhetoric is and confusing and full of
dogma....Anna never has stated what her interest is in nudism other
than to present facts about the clientele that are acting
sexual......she may have friends in high places such as the aanr
etc...jz

Adding to this accurate deduction I'd say that also explains why
"Anna" went rather insipid with what I posted and what Mitch had
written rather than answering to the crux of why "Anna" is absolutely
silent about the following: "One could rightly ask why the so-called
local, regional or national organizations would close their eyes on
such scenarios accurately presented above yet same organizations
thought it right to listen to the rants of a crackpot and make sure to
distance themselves from Peter Riden's THE GRAND BARN."
John, maybe "Anna" could be more related to the FCN gang so that would
also explain "Anna" 's silence on Dario's accurate comment reading as
follow: ""the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave (Flemming)"
fellow who came in here not too long ago and blurted out how he
boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then skulked away. "
It was easier for "Anna" to spit the same inanities that Stuffy Tiger
and his ilk have been echoing from the days of ON~Anon. I'd endorse
more what John says of the few enemies we still have lurking around as
few as they are..;-)
As John points out: "yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of
wholesome nudist....they do the ol personal attack and coward away
from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ...."
But let's repeat that, at THE GRAND BARN, we're the alternative to the
deficiencies of our few opponents.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarn
http://www.myspace.com/peter_riden
http://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterriden
http://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRiden
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden

[Anna]

Post by Peter Riden

This visit, I spent some time with Thaila (Heir to the Throne of TGB)
and Shawna (who stole my heart ), Pasler, and re-met delightful
Yalitsa.

Spent some time with?
Are we talking about prostitution here?
Escorts?

Or it could just mean that this person 'spent some time' with these
people enjoying some quiet chit-chat over a Latte's.
Here you go insinuating things that are not evident in the post in
order to spin it your way.

well checking the pricing structure ...it is in line with ground fees
at other venues so i would think the pay of working girls is not
included and if you understand a honest person you would know
that......of what signifigance is the issue....prostitution is
everywhere and in nudist camps also......just check with the cleaning
lady or at the office.....hell they are in the sex business so whats
the problem.......jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My point though JonZee was that nowhere did it say that this person
did anything beyond merely talking over coffee with these people but
Anna was quick to interject sex.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 yeah....Anna fits the perfect profile of an ol camp owner that is
retiring and never had many folks on the grounds and is going to draw
SS and wonders if it will be enough and is blaming the nudist
clientele for all his problems....as it is soooooooo obvious that she
does not want to discuss anything pertaining to the concept of nudism
and how stupid their rhetoric is and confusing and full of
dogma....Anna never has stated what her interest is in nudism other
than to present facts about the clientele that are acting
sexual......she may have friends in high places such as the aanr
etc...jz

Adding to this accurate deduction I'd say that also explains why
"Anna" went rather insipid with what I posted and what Mitch had
written rather than answering to the crux of why "Anna" is absolutely
silent about the following: "One could rightly ask why the so-called
local, regional or national organizations would close their eyes on
such scenarios accurately presented above yet same organizations
thought it right to listen to the rants of a crackpot and make sure to
distance themselves from Peter Riden's THE GRAND BARN."
John, maybe "Anna" could be more related to the FCN gang so that would
also explain "Anna" 's silence on Dario's accurate comment reading as
follow: ""the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave (Flemming)"
fellow who came in here not too long ago and blurted out how he
boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then skulked away. "
It was easier for "Anna" to spit the same inanities that Stuffy Tiger
and his ilk have been echoing from the days of ON~Anon. I'd endorse
more what John says of the few enemies we still have lurking around as
few as they are..;-)
As John points out: "yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of
wholesome nudist....they do the ol personal attack and coward away
from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ...."
But let's repeat that, at THE GRAND BARN, we're the alternative to the
deficiencies of our few opponents.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-Barnhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrandBarnhttp://www.myspace.com/peter_ridenhttp://www.myspace.com/conceptpeterridenhttp://ca.youtube.com/user/PeterRidenhttp://twitter.com/PeterRiden

Clicked on here.

http://twitter.com/PeterRiden

I got:

"Sorry, the account you were headed to has been suspended due to
strange activity"

Yeah, no surprise here Peter. It sounds just like you.

[Peter Riden]

Post by Anna

Post by Peter Riden

This visit, I spent some time with Thaila (Heir to the Throne of TGB)
and Shawna (who stole my heart ), Pasler, and re-met delightful
Yalitsa.

Spent some time with?
Are we talking about prostitution here?
Escorts?

Or it could just mean that this person 'spent some time' with these
people enjoying some quiet chit-chat over a Latte's.
Here you go insinuating things that are not evident in the post in
order to spin it your way.

well checking the pricing structure ...it is in line with ground fees
at other venues so i would think the pay of working girls is not
included and if you understand a honest person you would know
that......of what signifigance is the issue....prostitution is
everywhere and in nudist camps also......just check with the cleaning
lady or at the office.....hell they are in the sex business so whats
the problem.......jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My point though JonZee was that nowhere did it say that this person
did anything beyond merely talking over coffee with these people but
Anna was quick to interject sex.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 yeah....Anna fits the perfect profile of an ol camp owner that is
retiring and never had many folks on the grounds and is going to draw
SS and wonders if it will be enough and is blaming the nudist
clientele for all his problems....as it is soooooooo obvious that she
does not want to discuss anything pertaining to the concept of nudism
and how stupid their rhetoric is and confusing and full of
dogma....Anna never has stated what her interest is in nudism other
than to present facts about the clientele that are acting
sexual......she may have friends in high places such as the aanr
etc...jz

Adding to this accurate deduction I'd say that also explains why
"Anna" went rather insipid with what I posted and what Mitch had
written rather than answering to the crux of why "Anna" is absolutely
silent about the following: "One could rightly ask why the so-called
local, regional or national organizations would close their eyes on
such scenarios accurately presented above yet same organizations
thought it right to listen to the rants of a crackpot and make sure to
distance themselves from Peter Riden's THE GRAND BARN."
John, maybe "Anna" could be more related to the FCN gang so that would
also explain "Anna" 's silence on Dario's accurate comment reading as
follow: ""the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave (Flemming)"
fellow who came in here not too long ago and blurted out how he
boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then skulked away. "
It was easier for "Anna" to spit the same inanities that Stuffy Tiger
and his ilk have been echoing from the days of ON~Anon. I'd endorse
more what John says of the few enemies we still have lurking around as
few as they are..;-)
As John points out: "yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of
wholesome nudist....they do the ol personal attack and coward away
from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ...."
But let's repeat that, at THE GRAND BARN, we're the alternative to the
deficiencies of our few opponents.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...

Clicked on here.
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden
"Sorry, the account you were headed to has been suspended due to
strange activity"
Yeah, no surprise here Peter. It sounds just like you.

I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know. The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}
http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}: http://www.the-grand-barn.com

[Dan Myers]

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Anna

Post by Peter Riden

This visit, I spent some time with Thaila (Heir to the Throne of TGB)
and Shawna (who stole my heart ), Pasler, and re-met delightful
Yalitsa.

Spent some time with?
Are we talking about prostitution here?
Escorts?

Or it could just mean that this person 'spent some time' with these
people enjoying some quiet chit-chat over a Latte's.
Here you go insinuating things that are not evident in the post in
order to spin it your way.

well checking the pricing structure ...it is in line with ground fees
at other venues so i would think the pay of working girls is not
included and if you understand a honest person you would know
that......of what signifigance is the issue....prostitution is
everywhere and in nudist camps also......just check with the cleaning
lady or at the office.....hell they are in the sex business so whats
the problem.......jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My point though JonZee was that nowhere did it say that this person
did anything beyond merely talking over coffee with these people but
Anna was quick to interject sex.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 yeah....Anna fits the perfect profile of an ol camp owner that is
retiring and never had many folks on the grounds and is going to draw
SS and wonders if it will be enough and is blaming the nudist
clientele for all his problems....as it is soooooooo obvious that she
does not want to discuss anything pertaining to the concept of nudism
and how stupid their rhetoric is and confusing and full of
dogma....Anna never has stated what her interest is in nudism other
than to present facts about the clientele that are acting
sexual......she may have friends in high places such as the aanr
etc...jz

Adding to this accurate deduction I'd say that also explains why
"Anna" went rather insipid with what I posted and what Mitch had
written rather than answering to the crux of why "Anna" is absolutely
silent about the following: "One could rightly ask why the so-called
local, regional or national organizations would close their eyes on
such scenarios accurately presented above yet same organizations
thought it right to listen to the rants of a crackpot and make sure to
distance themselves from Peter Riden's THE GRAND BARN."
John, maybe "Anna" could be more related to the FCN gang so that would
also explain "Anna" 's silence on Dario's accurate comment reading as
follow: ""the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave (Flemming)"
fellow who came in here not too long ago and blurted out how he
boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then skulked away. "
It was easier for "Anna" to spit the same inanities that Stuffy Tiger
and his ilk have been echoing from the days of ON~Anon. I'd endorse
more what John says of the few enemies we still have lurking around as
few as they are..;-)
As John points out: "yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of
wholesome nudist....they do the ol personal attack and coward away
from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ...."
But let's repeat that, at THE GRAND BARN, we're the alternative to the
deficiencies of our few opponents.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...

Clicked on here.
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden
"Sorry, the account you were headed to has been suspended due to
strange activity"
Yeah, no surprise here Peter. It sounds just like you.

I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know.  The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.com

Congratulations on landing such a Whale Peter!!

[Dan Myers]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Peter Riden

Post by Anna

Post by Peter Riden

This visit, I spent some time with Thaila (Heir to the Throne of TGB)
and Shawna (who stole my heart ), Pasler, and re-met delightful
Yalitsa.

Spent some time with?
Are we talking about prostitution here?
Escorts?

Or it could just mean that this person 'spent some time' with these
people enjoying some quiet chit-chat over a Latte's.
Here you go insinuating things that are not evident in the post in
order to spin it your way.

well checking the pricing structure ...it is in line with ground fees
at other venues so i would think the pay of working girls is not
included and if you understand a honest person you would know
that......of what signifigance is the issue....prostitution is
everywhere and in nudist camps also......just check with the cleaning
lady or at the office.....hell they are in the sex business so whats
the problem.......jz- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

My point though JonZee was that nowhere did it say that this person
did anything beyond merely talking over coffee with these people but
Anna was quick to interject sex.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 yeah....Anna fits the perfect profile of an ol camp owner that is
retiring and never had many folks on the grounds and is going to draw
SS and wonders if it will be enough and is blaming the nudist
clientele for all his problems....as it is soooooooo obvious that she
does not want to discuss anything pertaining to the concept of nudism
and how stupid their rhetoric is and confusing and full of
dogma....Anna never has stated what her interest is in nudism other
than to present facts about the clientele that are acting
sexual......she may have friends in high places such as the aanr
etc...jz

Adding to this accurate deduction I'd say that also explains why
"Anna" went rather insipid with what I posted and what Mitch had
written rather than answering to the crux of why "Anna" is absolutely
silent about the following: "One could rightly ask why the so-called
local, regional or national organizations would close their eyes on
such scenarios accurately presented above yet same organizations
thought it right to listen to the rants of a crackpot and make sure to
distance themselves from Peter Riden's THE GRAND BARN."
John, maybe "Anna" could be more related to the FCN gang so that would
also explain "Anna" 's silence on Dario's accurate comment reading as
follow: ""the same thing cannot be said for that "Dave (Flemming)"
fellow who came in here not too long ago and blurted out how he
boasted about dumping TGB from the FCN and then skulked away. "
It was easier for "Anna" to spit the same inanities that Stuffy Tiger
and his ilk have been echoing from the days of ON~Anon. I'd endorse
more what John says of the few enemies we still have lurking around as
few as they are..;-)
As John points out: "yeah.....this idiot stuffed is typical of
wholesome nudist....they do the ol personal attack and coward away
from talk of their naked
behavior as being sexual ...."
But let's repeat that, at THE GRAND BARN, we're the alternative to the
deficiencies of our few opponents.
In Friendship & Universality
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.comhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Grand-...

Clicked on here.
http://twitter.com/PeterRiden
"Sorry, the account you were headed to has been suspended due to
strange activity"
Yeah, no surprise here Peter. It sounds just like you.

I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know.  The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.
Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
{TGB Conceptor}:http://www.the-grand-barn.com

Congratulations on landing such a Whale Peter!!

Of course now will come the denials and obfuscation.
I will admit that some of the topics brought up were interesting...
But feigning ignorance, deliberate and willful attacks upon others for
Behaviours/Activities that are totally legal and above board.
Behaviours/Activities that harm no one particularly not 'you'.

That is wrong and for that the perpetrator should be punished.

[Dan Abel]

In article

Post by Peter Riden
I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....

Ouch!

Post by Peter Riden
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know. The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.

So, Anna is your child? No wonder you are so angry!

[Dan Myers]

Post by Dan Abel
In article

Post by Peter Riden
I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....

Ouch!

Post by Peter Riden
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know.  The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.

So, Anna is your child?  No wonder you are so angry!
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

No, not "His Child", but ON~Anon...

And Peters kids (who have ascended the Throne of TGB) will now deal
with ON~Anon.

[David Looser]

Post by Peter Riden
I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know. The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.

Such paranoia!

David.

[Dan Myers]

Post by David Looser

Post by Peter Riden
I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know.  The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.

Such paranoia!
David.

Which is nothing to the Paranoia of your nudists over the concept of
the sexual creature called humanity.

[Terry J. Wood]

Post by David Looser

Post by Peter Riden
I went to fish you out and you did bite..;-)
Now I know where you stem from....
I'm aware of all what you've been doing against me all those years
"Anna"/ON~Anon... only that you make sure you remain anonymous.
Your friends of The Little Tribe might delight in your continued
vendetta against me but I have some who are seriously looking for you
for reasons that you already know. The new generation is sufficiently
angered at you and it will be interesting to see what next they'll
want to do to those, like you, who have obstructed against their dad.
Fair warning... as you went too far.

Such paranoia!

With this posting you have become a charter member of THE LITTLE TRIBE --
whether you want to be a member or not.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Terry J. Wood
With this posting you have become a charter member of THE LITTLE TRIBE --
whether you want to be a member or not.

Oh I've been a member of Riden's "Little Tribe" for years, ever since I had
the audacity to criticise him back in the 1990s. I found it hilarious that
he'd end his vitriolic attacks on all and sundry with his "In Friendship &
Universality" tag; it all seemed so utterly hypocritical. And yes I've long
thought him paranoid. The way he reacts to even the mildest criticism points
to that. The poor bloke has only Zee to keep him company, on the "my enemies
enemy is my friend" basis.
David.

Actually, Peter has enough real friends so that people like you don't
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What an interesting question....

Would it make a difference in our friendship if we hadn't met???