At least there's no discrimination here.

[Anna]

I have said that the problem with the women topless movement, which
promotes toplessness among women on the basis that well if men can do
it women should be able to, is that it will just make male toplessness
taboo.

And here is a case of just that. This running coach lost his job
because he allowed his runners to run topless. And no, there wasn't a
woman in the bunch of them. I am solely talking about male
toplessness.

Shirts and skins is becoming a thing of the past in America.


http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201105/no-shirt-no-service-high-school-coach-jobless-after-his-boys-track-team-goes-

http://tinyurl.com/3kpwsnn

We've all wanted to tell a jogger to put his shirt back on, but what
happened recently in suburban Boston is a little different.

Westwood High track coach Tom Davis was fired last week because one of
his runners decided to whip off a shirt during training on a 75-degree
day. This wasn't a girl, by the way. It was a boy.

And the Westwood High athletic director, Karl Fogel, was so irate
about it that Davis thought he was going to lay him out.

"I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at," the coach told
NECN TV.

That wasn't the end of it. Davis was let go on the spot, in front of
his team, and eventually escorted off school property.

"The kids on my team, it was terrible," Davis told the TV station.
"Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear."

The team was doing quite well this year under the second-year coach:
one of the relay teams went to nationals less than two months ago and
the outdoor team started off 5-0 this spring. But there was an
undercurrent of tension at the school as Fogel told Davis that some
members of the girls team felt uncomfortable when the boys ran without
shirts. Davis even warned his team about possible punishment for not
wearing a shirt.

Then, a week ago Friday, the situation boiled over, with Fogel going
chest to chest with the coach, according to the Boston Globe.

"I can assure you that [the] decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his
duties was not the result of a single incident," said Westwood schools
superintendant John Antonucci in a statement, "but rather the
regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion."

Now that ongoing discussion has ricocheted all over the community.
Davis said he was never given an official reason for his firing, and
he is seeking legal counsel.

The Westwood team lost its first meet without Davis on Monday. He was
replaced by the school's throwing coach.

[Pat-h]

Post by Anna
I have said that the problem with the women topless movement, which
promotes toplessness among women on the basis that well if men can do
it women should be able to, is that it will just make male toplessness
taboo.
And here is a case of just that.  This running coach lost his job
because he allowed his runners to run topless. And no, there wasn't a
woman in the bunch of them. I am solely talking about male
toplessness.
Shirts and skins is becoming a thing of the past in America.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201105/no-shirt-no-service...
http://tinyurl.com/3kpwsnn
We've all wanted to tell a jogger to put his shirt back on, but what
happened recently in suburban Boston is a little different.
Westwood High track coach Tom Davis was fired last week because one of
his runners decided to whip off a shirt during training on a 75-degree
day. This wasn't a girl, by the way. It was a boy.
And the Westwood High athletic director, Karl Fogel, was so irate
about it that Davis thought he was going to lay him out.
"I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at," the coach told
NECN TV.
That wasn't the end of it. Davis was let go on the spot, in front of
his team, and eventually escorted off school property.
"The kids on my team, it was terrible," Davis told the TV station.
"Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear."
one of the relay teams went to nationals less than two months ago and
the outdoor team started off 5-0 this spring. But there was an
undercurrent of tension at the school as Fogel told Davis that some
members of the girls team felt uncomfortable when the boys ran without
shirts. Davis even warned his team about possible punishment for not
wearing a shirt.
Then, a week ago Friday, the situation boiled over, with Fogel going
chest to chest with the coach, according to the Boston Globe.
"I can assure you that [the] decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his
duties was not the result of a single incident," said Westwood schools
superintendant John Antonucci in a statement, "but rather the
regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion."
Now that ongoing discussion has ricocheted all over the community.
Davis said he was never given an official reason for his firing, and
he is seeking legal counsel.
The Westwood team lost its first meet without Davis on Monday. He was
replaced by the school's throwing coach.

Can't see any relationship to the incident and women being topless?
Just looks like two guys close to a bust up and anything could have
trigged it.
If he'd broken wind it's just as likely he'd have been thrown out and
following the logic we'd all have to start worrying about the lentil
intake we consume.

I don't see the argument about equality and being topless as a serious
one as men and women clearly aren't the same. We're built quite
differently and that's what makes life fun and interesting. While many
activities can and should be treated equally the consideration re
appropriate covering of the various "different" parts of male and
female bodies will still ensure they are different.

[Anna]

Post by Pat-h

Post by Anna
I have said that the problem with the women topless movement, which
promotes toplessness among women on the basis that well if men can do
it women should be able to, is that it will just make male toplessness
taboo.
And here is a case of just that.  This running coach lost his job
because he allowed his runners to run topless. And no, there wasn't a
woman in the bunch of them. I am solely talking about male
toplessness.
Shirts and skins is becoming a thing of the past in America.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201105/no-shirt-no-service...
http://tinyurl.com/3kpwsnn
We've all wanted to tell a jogger to put his shirt back on, but what
happened recently in suburban Boston is a little different.
Westwood High track coach Tom Davis was fired last week because one of
his runners decided to whip off a shirt during training on a 75-degree
day. This wasn't a girl, by the way. It was a boy.
And the Westwood High athletic director, Karl Fogel, was so irate
about it that Davis thought he was going to lay him out.
"I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at," the coach told
NECN TV.
That wasn't the end of it. Davis was let go on the spot, in front of
his team, and eventually escorted off school property.
"The kids on my team, it was terrible," Davis told the TV station.
"Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear."
one of the relay teams went to nationals less than two months ago and
the outdoor team started off 5-0 this spring. But there was an
undercurrent of tension at the school as Fogel told Davis that some
members of the girls team felt uncomfortable when the boys ran without
shirts. Davis even warned his team about possible punishment for not
wearing a shirt.
Then, a week ago Friday, the situation boiled over, with Fogel going
chest to chest with the coach, according to the Boston Globe.
"I can assure you that [the] decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his
duties was not the result of a single incident," said Westwood schools
superintendant John Antonucci in a statement, "but rather the
regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion."
Now that ongoing discussion has ricocheted all over the community.
Davis said he was never given an official reason for his firing, and
he is seeking legal counsel.
The Westwood team lost its first meet without Davis on Monday. He was
replaced by the school's throwing coach.

Can't see any relationship to the incident and women being topless?
Just looks like two guys close to a bust up and anything could have
trigged it.
If he'd broken wind it's just as likely he'd have been thrown out and
following the logic we'd all have to start worrying about the lentil
intake we consume.
I don't see the argument about equality and being topless as a serious
one as men and women clearly aren't the same. We're built quite
differently and that's what makes life fun and interesting. While many
activities can and should be treated equally the consideration re
appropriate covering of the various "different" parts of male and
female bodies will still ensure they are different.

Point is if the female topless movement keeps pushing "Well if Males
can go topless why can't Females" (the reason is of course what you
gave above) the ultimate response will be "Okay - Males can't go
topless either." And here is just one of several recent cases where
male toplessness is indeed being restricted.

[Pat-h]

Post by Anna

Post by Pat-h

Post by Anna
I have said that the problem with the women topless movement, which
promotes toplessness among women on the basis that well if men can do
it women should be able to, is that it will just make male toplessness
taboo.
And here is a case of just that.  This running coach lost his job
because he allowed his runners to run topless. And no, there wasn't a
woman in the bunch of them. I am solely talking about male
toplessness.
Shirts and skins is becoming a thing of the past in America.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201105/no-shirt-no-service...
http://tinyurl.com/3kpwsnn
We've all wanted to tell a jogger to put his shirt back on, but what
happened recently in suburban Boston is a little different.
Westwood High track coach Tom Davis was fired last week because one of
his runners decided to whip off a shirt during training on a 75-degree
day. This wasn't a girl, by the way. It was a boy.
And the Westwood High athletic director, Karl Fogel, was so irate
about it that Davis thought he was going to lay him out.
"I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at," the coach told
NECN TV.
That wasn't the end of it. Davis was let go on the spot, in front of
his team, and eventually escorted off school property.
"The kids on my team, it was terrible," Davis told the TV station.
"Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear."
one of the relay teams went to nationals less than two months ago and
the outdoor team started off 5-0 this spring. But there was an
undercurrent of tension at the school as Fogel told Davis that some
members of the girls team felt uncomfortable when the boys ran without
shirts. Davis even warned his team about possible punishment for not
wearing a shirt.
Then, a week ago Friday, the situation boiled over, with Fogel going
chest to chest with the coach, according to the Boston Globe.
"I can assure you that [the] decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his
duties was not the result of a single incident," said Westwood schools
superintendant John Antonucci in a statement, "but rather the
regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion."
Now that ongoing discussion has ricocheted all over the community.
Davis said he was never given an official reason for his firing, and
he is seeking legal counsel.
The Westwood team lost its first meet without Davis on Monday. He was
replaced by the school's throwing coach.

Can't see any relationship to the incident and women being topless?
Just looks like two guys close to a bust up and anything could have
trigged it.
If he'd broken wind it's just as likely he'd have been thrown out and
following the logic we'd all have to start worrying about the lentil
intake we consume.
I don't see the argument about equality and being topless as a serious
one as men and women clearly aren't the same. We're built quite
differently and that's what makes life fun and interesting. While many
activities can and should be treated equally the consideration re
appropriate covering of the various "different" parts of male and
female bodies will still ensure they are different.

Point is if the female topless movement keeps pushing "Well if Males
can go topless why can't Females" (the reason is of course what you
gave above) the ultimate response will be "Okay - Males can't go
topless either."  And here is just one of several recent cases where
male toplessness is indeed being restricted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

"Males can't go topless" won't ever happen I don't think. Certainly
not here in the UK. Maybe in the US as they are culturally different.
But even then I suspect not.
For a start there are no laws to prohibit it and no basis to introduce
any. How could anyone claim that male breasts should now be covered?
It just won't happen.
And the females that push for equality on the basis that men can go
topless are fighting a lost cause. It's accepted and known man are
made different to women.

[Dario Western]

Hi Patrick,

What about man-boobs? ;-)
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Post by Anna

Post by Pat-h

Post by Anna
I have said that the problem with the women topless movement, which
promotes toplessness among women on the basis that well if men can do
it women should be able to, is that it will just make male toplessness
taboo.
And here is a case of just that. This running coach lost his job
because he allowed his runners to run topless. And no, there wasn't a
woman in the bunch of them. I am solely talking about male
toplessness.
Shirts and skins is becoming a thing of the past in America.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-take/201105/no-shirt-no-service...
http://tinyurl.com/3kpwsnn
We've all wanted to tell a jogger to put his shirt back on, but what
happened recently in suburban Boston is a little different.
Westwood High track coach Tom Davis was fired last week because one of
his runners decided to whip off a shirt during training on a 75-degree
day. This wasn't a girl, by the way. It was a boy.
And the Westwood High athletic director, Karl Fogel, was so irate
about it that Davis thought he was going to lay him out.
"I fully 100 percent was expecting to be swung at," the coach told
NECN TV.
That wasn't the end of it. Davis was let go on the spot, in front of
his team, and eventually escorted off school property.
"The kids on my team, it was terrible," Davis told the TV station.
"Their faces, just pure disgust, pure fear."
one of the relay teams went to nationals less than two months ago and
the outdoor team started off 5-0 this spring. But there was an
undercurrent of tension at the school as Fogel told Davis that some
members of the girls team felt uncomfortable when the boys ran without
shirts. Davis even warned his team about possible punishment for not
wearing a shirt.
Then, a week ago Friday, the situation boiled over, with Fogel going
chest to chest with the coach, according to the Boston Globe.
"I can assure you that [the] decision to relieve Mr. Davis of his
duties was not the result of a single incident," said Westwood schools
superintendant John Antonucci in a statement, "but rather the
regrettable outcome of an ongoing discussion."
Now that ongoing discussion has ricocheted all over the community.
Davis said he was never given an official reason for his firing, and
he is seeking legal counsel.
The Westwood team lost its first meet without Davis on Monday. He was
replaced by the school's throwing coach.

Can't see any relationship to the incident and women being topless?
Just looks like two guys close to a bust up and anything could have
trigged it.
If he'd broken wind it's just as likely he'd have been thrown out and
following the logic we'd all have to start worrying about the lentil
intake we consume.
I don't see the argument about equality and being topless as a serious
one as men and women clearly aren't the same. We're built quite
differently and that's what makes life fun and interesting. While many
activities can and should be treated equally the consideration re
appropriate covering of the various "different" parts of male and
female bodies will still ensure they are different.

Point is if the female topless movement keeps pushing "Well if Males
can go topless why can't Females" (the reason is of course what you
gave above) the ultimate response will be "Okay - Males can't go
topless either." And here is just one of several recent cases where
male toplessness is indeed being restricted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

"Males can't go topless" won't ever happen I don't think. Certainly
not here in the UK. Maybe in the US as they are culturally different.
But even then I suspect not.
For a start there are no laws to prohibit it and no basis to introduce
any. How could anyone claim that male breasts should now be covered?
It just won't happen.
And the females that push for equality on the basis that men can go
topless are fighting a lost cause. It's accepted and known man are
made different to women.

[Pat-h]

Post by Dario Western
Hi Patrick,
What about man-boobs?  ;-)
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Snipped to resolve top post ;-)

Man boobs have a limited "sexual" appeal I suspect.
Although there maybe an argument from protecting society from the
grossness of it!
Of course when you start along that line it starts getting very
tricky.
Don't forget these things are mostly an issue for people with body
image issues as are most anti Naturist topics.

[Marc]

Post by Dario Western
Hi Patrick,
What about man-boobs? ;-)

What about them?