(Peter) - Human Sexuality and Nudism.....

[Dan Myers]

its always the perverts somewhere else that has the hard ons at his
favorite beach....and it is his buddies that are trying to stop them
from being sexual.....and of course he denies that his overt nudity
provokes sexual activities of just plain folks.....like his aanr and
tns folks say.....don’t be ashamed of your erections.....just cover
them up....so shall we cover up our runny noses with a towel.....there
is something stupid about all this....i bet little Dora can figure out
what it is......jz

The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

That is part of the problem when they try to tell textiles that nudism
is "non-sexual" because even on a most elementary level people
understand the basic fact that humans in and of themselves are sexual
creatures and that their interactions whether clothed or nude
naturally have some form of a sexual component even if in a very minor
subconscious fashion.

Your average person whether nudist or textile can see this and this
coupled with the 'Nudist' trying to deny this sexuality I believe is
what causes a lot of the problems.
I mean think of it along the lines of the person that has subconscious
homosexual thoughts, he doesn't want to consciously recognize these
thoughts so instead he becomes very 'Anti-Gay' even to the point of
aggressively attacking homosexuals that he sees, it is not that he is
'attacking' them for being 'Gay' in and of itself, it is that he is in
essence attacking them for embodying his own subconscious homosexual
thoughts.
The thing is that quite often when the subject recognizes these
thoughts consciously he will realize that such thoughts are a natural
part of human development and that just having these thoughts does not
mean you're Gay, it means you're normal.

I will even go so far as to say that JonZee's pedo thoughts are to a
degree normal, not as in having sex with but as a part of the human
developmental cycle.
It is the ones that act upon these thoughts that are wrong.

In a similar fashion the nudists denying their inherent sexuality
cause a contradiction in their own minds for the same reason, they are
consciously attempting to deny something that their subconscious
accepts as natural.
While they may not become physically aggressive (though some do) just
the fact that they oppose this natural sexuality so aggressively and
single-mindedly causes issues.
Just as Anna tries to state that "True Nudism" can only exist in a
"Perfect World" that is what these nudists are projecting to the rest
of society, even though they deny it they are essentially just more
"Anna's" with this behaviour.
People hear them preaching this "Non-Sexual Nudity" and they know even
if subconsciously that nothing involving 'Normal Humans' can be
totally 'Non-Sexual' and so they (perhaps subconsciously) come to
believe that nudism is an impossibility in society today because we
are sexual.

Now I and others recognize this and realize that the best way to get
the acceptance of others is not to deny this inherent sexuality, but
to accept it as a part of ourselves first and stop this fighting with
other nudists or those that textiles view as nudists, we need to
accept each other and possibly when we do that then textiles and
possibly 'nude-curious' will accept us and we will be better able to
practice our nudism more openly instead of hiding ourselves from
others in enclaves or from our neighbours.

[Dan Myers]

On Aug 11, 8:46 am, Dan Myers <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:54 pm, Zee <***@webtv.net> wrote:

its always the perverts somewhere else that has the hard-ons at his
favorite beach....and it is his buddies that are trying to stop them
from being sexual.....and of course he denies that his overt nudity
provokes sexual activities of just plain folks.....like his AANR
and
TNS folks say.....don’t be ashamed of your erections.....just cover
them up....so shall we cover up our runny noses with a
towel.....there
is something stupid about all this....I bet little Dora can figure
out
what it is......Jz

The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active
sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

That is part of the problem when they try to tell textiles that
nudism
is "non-sexual" because even on a most elementary level people
understand the basic fact that humans in and of themselves are sexual
creatures and that their interactions whether clothed or nude
naturally have some form of a sexual component even if in a very
minor
subconscious fashion.

Your average person whether nudist or textile can see this and this
coupled with the 'Nudist' trying to deny this sexuality I believe is
what causes a lot of the problems.
I mean think of it along the lines of the person that has
subconscious
homosexual thoughts, he doesn't want to consciously recognize these
thoughts so instead he becomes very 'Anti-Gay' even to the point of
aggressively attacking homosexuals that he sees, it is not that he is
'attacking' them for being 'Gay' in and of itself, it is that he is
in
essence attacking them for embodying his own subconscious homosexual
thoughts.
The thing is that quite often when the subject recognizes these
thoughts consciously he will realize that such thoughts are a natural
part of human development and that just having these thoughts does
not
mean you're Gay, it means you're normal.

I will even go so far as to say that JonZee's pedo thoughts are to a
degree normal, not as in having sex with but as a part of the human
developmental cycle.
It is the ones that act upon these thoughts that are wrong.

In a similar fashion the nudists denying their inherent sexuality
cause a contradiction in their own minds for the same reason, they
are
consciously attempting to deny something that their subconscious
accepts as natural.
While they may not become physically aggressive (though some do) just
the fact that they oppose this natural sexuality so aggressively and
single-mindedly causes issues.
Just as Anna tries to state that "True Nudism" can only exist in a
"Perfect World" that is what these nudists are projecting to the rest
of society, even though they deny it they are essentially just more
"Anna's" with this behaviour.
People hear them preaching this "Non-Sexual Nudity" and they know
even
if subconsciously that nothing involving 'Normal Humans' can be
totally 'Non-Sexual' and so they (perhaps subconsciously) come to
believe that nudism is an impossibility in society today because we
are sexual.

Now I and others recognize this and realize that the best way to get
the acceptance of others is not to deny this inherent sexuality, but
to accept it as a part of ourselves first and stop this fighting with
other nudists or those that textiles view as nudists, we need to
accept each other and possibly when we do that then textiles and
possibly 'nude-curious' will accept us and we will be better able to
practice our nudism more openly instead of hiding ourselves from
others in enclaves or from our neighbours.

[Anna]

  its always the perverts somewhere else that has the hard-ons at his
  favorite beach....and it is his buddies that are trying to stop them
  from being sexual.....and of course he denies that his overt nudity
  provokes sexual activities of just plain folks.....like his AANR
and
  TNS  folks say.....don’t be ashamed of your erections.....just cover
  them up....so shall we cover up our runny noses with a
towel.....there
  is something stupid about all this....I bet little Dora can figure
out
  what it is......Jz
 The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
 your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active
sexual
 component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
 inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
 humanity.
 That is part of the problem when they try to tell textiles that
nudism
 is "non-sexual" because even on a most elementary level people
 understand the basic fact that humans in and of themselves are sexual
 creatures and that their interactions whether clothed or nude
 naturally have some form of a sexual component even if in a very
minor
 subconscious fashion.
 Your average person whether nudist or textile can see this and this
 coupled with the 'Nudist' trying to deny this sexuality I believe is
 what causes a lot of the problems.
 I mean think of it along the lines of the person that has
subconscious
 homosexual thoughts, he doesn't want to consciously recognize these
 thoughts so instead he becomes very 'Anti-Gay' even to the point of
 aggressively attacking homosexuals that he sees, it is not that he is
 'attacking' them for being 'Gay' in and of itself, it is that he is
in
 essence attacking them for embodying his own subconscious homosexual
 thoughts.
 The thing is that quite often when the subject recognizes these
 thoughts consciously he will realize that such thoughts are a natural
 part of human development and that just having these thoughts does
not
 mean you're Gay, it means you're normal.
 I will even go so far as to say that JonZee's pedo thoughts are to a
 degree normal, not as in having sex with but as a part of the human
 developmental cycle.
 It is the ones that act upon these thoughts that are wrong.
 In a similar fashion the nudists denying their inherent sexuality
 cause a contradiction in their own minds for the same reason, they
are
 consciously attempting to deny something that their subconscious
 accepts as natural.
 While they may not become physically aggressive (though some do) just
 the fact that they oppose this natural sexuality so aggressively and
 single-mindedly causes issues.
 Just as Anna tries to state that "True Nudism" can only exist in a
 "Perfect World" that is what these nudists are projecting to the rest
 of society, even though they deny it they are essentially just more
 "Anna's" with this behaviour.
 People hear them preaching this "Non-Sexual Nudity" and they know
even
 if subconsciously that nothing involving 'Normal Humans' can be
 totally 'Non-Sexual' and so they (perhaps subconsciously) come to
 believe that nudism is an impossibility in society today because we
 are sexual.
 Now I and others recognize this and realize that the best way to get
 the acceptance of others is not to deny this inherent sexuality, but
 to accept it as a part of ourselves first and stop this fighting with
 other nudists or those that textiles view as nudists, we need to
 accept each other and possibly when we do that then textiles and
 possibly 'nude-curious' will accept us and we will be better able to
 practice our nudism more openly instead of hiding ourselves from
 others in enclaves or from our neighbours.

Some people might be super-sexed up. And I guess they think everyone
is that way. No, we aren't pretending or lying. While we might be
beings who have sex (among all the other things we do) we aren't
sexual beings.

[Anna]

  its always the perverts somewhere else that has the hard-ons at his
  favorite beach....and it is his buddies that are trying to stop them
  from being sexual.....and of course he denies that his overt nudity
  provokes sexual activities of just plain folks.....like his AANR
and
  TNS  folks say.....don’t be ashamed of your erections.....just cover
  them up....so shall we cover up our runny noses with a
towel.....there
  is something stupid about all this....I bet little Dora can figure
out
  what it is......Jz
 The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
 your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active
sexual
 component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
 inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
 humanity.
 That is part of the problem when they try to tell textiles that
nudism
 is "non-sexual" because even on a most elementary level people
 understand the basic fact that humans in and of themselves are sexual
 creatures and that their interactions whether clothed or nude
 naturally have some form of a sexual component even if in a very
minor
 subconscious fashion.
 Your average person whether nudist or textile can see this and this
 coupled with the 'Nudist' trying to deny this sexuality I believe is
 what causes a lot of the problems.
 I mean think of it along the lines of the person that has
subconscious
 homosexual thoughts, he doesn't want to consciously recognize these
 thoughts so instead he becomes very 'Anti-Gay' even to the point of
 aggressively attacking homosexuals that he sees, it is not that he is
 'attacking' them for being 'Gay' in and of itself, it is that he is
in
 essence attacking them for embodying his own subconscious homosexual
 thoughts.
 The thing is that quite often when the subject recognizes these
 thoughts consciously he will realize that such thoughts are a natural
 part of human development and that just having these thoughts does
not
 mean you're Gay, it means you're normal.
 I will even go so far as to say that JonZee's pedo thoughts are to a
 degree normal, not as in having sex with but as a part of the human
 developmental cycle.
 It is the ones that act upon these thoughts that are wrong.
 In a similar fashion the nudists denying their inherent sexuality
 cause a contradiction in their own minds for the same reason, they
are
 consciously attempting to deny something that their subconscious
 accepts as natural.
 While they may not become physically aggressive (though some do) just
 the fact that they oppose this natural sexuality so aggressively and
 single-mindedly causes issues.
 Just as Anna tries to state that "True Nudism" can only exist in a
 "Perfect World" that is what these nudists are projecting to the rest
 of society, even though they deny it they are essentially just more
 "Anna's" with this behaviour.
 People hear them preaching this "Non-Sexual Nudity" and they know
even
 if subconsciously that nothing involving 'Normal Humans' can be
 totally 'Non-Sexual' and so they (perhaps subconsciously) come to
 believe that nudism is an impossibility in society today because we
 are sexual.
 Now I and others recognize this and realize that the best way to get
 the acceptance of others is not to deny this inherent sexuality, but
 to accept it as a part of ourselves first and stop this fighting with
 other nudists or those that textiles view as nudists, we need to
 accept each other and possibly when we do that then textiles and
 possibly 'nude-curious' will accept us and we will be better able to
 practice our nudism more openly instead of hiding ourselves from
 others in enclaves or from our neighbours.

What you are saying is that humans can't choose when and where they
can express sexuality. If that is the case then nudism is wrong. You
have given credence to those who would say that sexuality would always
get into nudity (since you say it gets into everything) and since it
gets into nudity then nudism can't be practiced without turning lewd.

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

its always the perverts somewhere else that has the hard ons at his
favorite beach....and it is his buddies that are trying to stop them
from being sexual.....and of course he denies that his overt nudity
provokes sexual activities of just plain folks.....like his aanr and
tns folks say.....don’t be ashamed of your erections.....just cover
them up....so shall we cover up our runny noses with a towel.....there
is something stupid about all this....i bet little Dora can figure out
what it is......jz

The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.
That is part of the problem when they try to tell textiles that nudism
is "non-sexual" because even on a most elementary level people
understand the basic fact that humans in and of themselves are sexual
creatures and that their interactions whether clothed or nude
naturally have some form of a sexual component even if in a very minor
subconscious fashion.
Your average person whether nudist or textile can see this and this
coupled with the 'Nudist' trying to deny this sexuality I believe is
what causes a lot of the problems.
I mean think of it along the lines of the person that has subconscious
homosexual thoughts, he doesn't want to consciously recognize these
thoughts so instead he becomes very 'Anti-Gay' even to the point of
aggressively attacking homosexuals that he sees, it is not that he is
'attacking' them for being 'Gay' in and of itself, it is that he is in
essence attacking them for embodying his own subconscious homosexual
thoughts.
The thing is that quite often when the subject recognizes these
thoughts consciously he will realize that such thoughts are a natural
part of human development and that just having these thoughts does not
mean you're Gay, it means you're normal.
I will even go so far as to say that JonZee's pedo thoughts are to a
degree normal, not as in having sex with but as a part of the human
developmental cycle.
It is the ones that act upon these thoughts that are wrong.
In a similar fashion the nudists denying their inherent sexuality
cause a contradiction in their own minds for the same reason, they are
consciously attempting to deny something that their subconscious
accepts as natural.
While they may not become physically aggressive (though some do) just
the fact that they oppose this natural sexuality so aggressively and
single-mindedly causes issues.
Just as Anna tries to state that "True Nudism" can only exist in a
"Perfect World" that is what these nudists are projecting to the rest
of society, even though they deny it they are essentially just more
"Anna's" with this behaviour.
People hear them preaching this "Non-Sexual Nudity" and they know even
if subconsciously that nothing involving 'Normal Humans' can be
totally 'Non-Sexual' and so they (perhaps subconsciously) come to
believe that nudism is an impossibility in society today because we
are sexual.
Now I and others recognize this and realize that the best way to get
the acceptance of others is not to deny this inherent sexuality, but
to accept it as a part of ourselves first and stop this fighting with
other nudists or those that textiles view as nudists, we need to
accept each other and possibly when we do that then textiles and
possibly 'nude-curious' will accept us and we will be better able to
practice our nudism more openly instead of hiding ourselves from
others in enclaves or from our neighbours.

i agree mostly with what you say....i am a little different in that i
have always probed my inner self and have always been privy to my
conscience and sub states of mind.....however i do think the general
public on the outside has an inherrent right of expectation to expect
the most conservative behavior to satisfy all religions and
traditions....it makes for a more stable and calm society......so
hiding ourselves from the public is over the top....it is enjoying
your counter culture in private and getting respect from the outside
for doing it that way......as i enjoy closing the bathroom door and i
luv large bathrooms and rolling up one if i choose absent of folks
tearing the door down wondering what i am doing....jz

[Anna]

Dan.

What you refuse to accept is for most of us while sure sexuality is
part of our life compared to the vast amount of experiences and
elements that make up living it is really such a small small part of
the total "living as a human" experience.

Now I guess for many it does become a consuming part of their life.
And they naturally think that it must be that way for everyone around
them. Sorry, when you put the bragging aside, it really isn't for most
people.

Now I guess for you it is. I think for a large minority it is.

Okay, then if your sexuality consumes you then you probably shouldn't
be a nudist.

But for the rest of us while sexuality certainly is one of the various
things that make up living, we are not sexual creatures.

And that's not denial. That's reality.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna
Dan.
What you refuse to accept is for most of us while sure sexuality is
part of our life compared to the vast amount of experiences and
elements that make up living it is really such a small small part of
the total "living as a human" experience.

I never said that it was a large percentage of the experience, stop
trying to put words in my mouth.

My point is that it is in fact a part of being human and to deny even
that small part is the problem.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for many it does become a consuming part of their life.
And they naturally think that it must be that way for everyone around
them. Sorry, when you put the bragging aside, it really isn't for most
people.

I never said anything about ‘sexuality’ becoming a ‘consuming part’ of
life.
Again with the putting words in my mouth.
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for you it is. I think for a large minority it is.

And you would be ‘guessing’ wrong, but of course I expected that.
I am just one of many that see no good in denying a part of ourselves
and only ill that can come from it.

Post by Anna
Okay, then if your sexuality consumes you then you probably shouldn't
be a nudist.

I never said it did, and again with the ‘word insertion’, those are
your words.
I am a nudist no matter what you or those others may wish, I call
myself a nudist, my friends call me and themselves nudists and they
share my views on the ‘Human Sexual Creature’ that you and others here
would deny.

Post by Anna
But for the rest of us while sexuality certainly is one of the various
things that make up living, we are not sexual creatures.
And that's not denial. That's reality.

To deny that you are sexual creatures is in fact Denial.

[Anna]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Dan.
What you refuse to accept is for most of us while sure sexuality is
part of our life compared to the vast amount of experiences and
elements that make up living it is really such a small small part of
the total "living as a human" experience.

I never said that it was a large percentage of the experience, stop
trying to put words in my mouth.
My point is that it is in fact a part of being human and to deny even
that small part is the problem.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for many it does become a consuming part of their life.
And they naturally think that it must be that way for everyone around
them. Sorry, when you put the bragging aside, it really isn't for most
people.

I never said anything about ‘sexuality’ becoming a ‘consuming part’ of
life.
Again with the putting words in my mouth.
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for you it is.  I think for a large minority it is.

And you would be ‘guessing’ wrong, but of course I expected that.
I am just one of many that see no good in denying a part of ourselves
and only ill that can come from it.

Post by Anna
Okay, then if your sexuality consumes you then you probably shouldn't
be a nudist.

I never said it did, and again with the ‘word insertion’, those are
your words.
I am a nudist no matter what you or those others may wish, I call
myself a nudist, my friends call me and themselves nudists and they
share my views on the ‘Human Sexual Creature’ that you and others here
would deny.

Post by Anna
But for the rest of us while sexuality certainly is one of the various
things that make up living, we are not sexual creatures.
And that's not denial.  That's reality.

To deny that you are sexual creatures is in fact Denial.

Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there for
whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim. We run. We.. and I can go on and on and on.

Perhaps for you sex consumes you. Perhaps it's somehow genetic. But
for most of us it really doesn't have the same pull. Yeah it has a
pull. But obviously not the same as it does for you.

We can control when if and how we express our sexuality.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Dan.
What you refuse to accept is for most of us while sure sexuality is
part of our life compared to the vast amount of experiences and
elements that make up living it is really such a small small part of
the total "living as a human" experience.

I never said that it was a large percentage of the experience, stop
trying to put words in my mouth.
My point is that it is in fact a part of being human and to deny even
that small part is the problem.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for many it does become a consuming part of their life.
And they naturally think that it must be that way for everyone around
them. Sorry, when you put the bragging aside, it really isn't for most
people.

I never said anything about ‘sexuality’ becoming a ‘consuming part’ of
life.
Again with the putting words in my mouth.
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for you it is.  I think for a large minority it is.

And you would be ‘guessing’ wrong, but of course I expected that.
I am just one of many that see no good in denying a part of ourselves
and only ill that can come from it.

Post by Anna
Okay, then if your sexuality consumes you then you probably shouldn't
be a nudist.

I never said it did, and again with the ‘word insertion’, those are
your words.
I am a nudist no matter what you or those others may wish, I call
myself a nudist, my friends call me and themselves nudists and they
share my views on the ‘Human Sexual Creature’ that you and others here
would deny.

Post by Anna
But for the rest of us while sexuality certainly is one of the various
things that make up living, we are not sexual creatures.
And that's not denial.  That's reality.

To deny that you are sexual creatures is in fact Denial.

Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there for
whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and on.
Perhaps for you sex consumes you. Perhaps it's somehow genetic. But
for most of us it really doesn't have the same pull. Yeah it has a
pull. But obviously not the same as it does for you.
We can control when if and how we express our sexuality.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

but it is stupid to deny yourself of sex even if you are
undersexed....at a place where everyone is naked.....seize the
moment.....jz

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Dan.
What you refuse to accept is for most of us while sure sexuality is
part of our life compared to the vast amount of experiences and
elements that make up living it is really such a small small part of
the total "living as a human" experience.

I never said that it was a large percentage of the experience, stop
trying to put words in my mouth.
My point is that it is in fact a part of being human and to deny even
that small part is the problem.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for many it does become a consuming part of their life.
And they naturally think that it must be that way for everyone around
them. Sorry, when you put the bragging aside, it really isn't for most
people.

I never said anything about ‘sexuality’ becoming a ‘consuming part’ of
life.
Again with the putting words in my mouth.
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

Post by Anna
Now I guess for you it is. I think for a large minority it is.

And you would be ‘guessing’ wrong, but of course I expected that.
I am just one of many that see no good in denying a part of ourselves
and only ill that can come from it.

Post by Anna
Okay, then if your sexuality consumes you then you probably shouldn't
be a nudist.

I never said it did, and again with the ‘word insertion’, those are
your words.
I am a nudist no matter what you or those others may wish, I call
myself a nudist, my friends call me and themselves nudists and they
share my views on the ‘Human Sexual Creature’ that you and others here
would deny.

Post by Anna
But for the rest of us while sexuality certainly is one of the various
things that make up living, we are not sexual creatures.
And that's not denial. That's reality.

To deny that you are sexual creatures is in fact Denial.

Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there for
whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.
Once again you are trying to put words in the mouths of me and anyone
else that says anything you don’t agree with.
Funny thing is that this is a typical tactic that I have seen used by
Liberals in Politics against Republicans, but I don’t want this
productive topic turned to Politics so I’ll leave that.

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim. We run. We.. and I can go on and on and on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

Post by Anna
Perhaps for you sex consumes you. Perhaps it's somehow genetic. But
for most of us it really doesn't have the same pull. Yeah it has a
pull. But obviously not the same as it does for you.

Here we go with you putting words in my mouth again, you really should
stop doing that because it is a waste of your time when people can
simply look back and see that I said nothing of the kind.

I/We are neither ‘Consumed’ nor are we ‘Dominated’ by our sexuality
and we are not afraid or ashamed of it either, as you and some others
appear to be.

Post by Anna
We can control when if and how we express our sexuality.- Hide quoted text -
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Do you really?????

[Lane]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim. We run. We.. and I can go on and on and on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.

I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.

[Brad Filippone]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head. I'm sure there are many
others like me. And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.

Brad

[Anna]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures". That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

[Pete Knight]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.

Pete

[Zee]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

[Pete Knight]

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.

Pete

[Zee]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy of nudism get it right....then the
problems in social nudism will go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

[Pete Knight]

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy of nudism get it right....then the
problems in social nudism will go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.

Pete

[Zee]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy of nudism get it right....then the
problems in social nudism will go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

[Pete Knight]

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy of nudism get it right....then the
problems in social nudism will go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?

Pete

[Zee]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy of nudism get it right....then the
problems in social nudism will go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

any that promotes social nudism...jz

[Living Your Life Naken]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudismaccepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy ofnudismget it right....then the
problems in socialnudismwill go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

any that promotes socialnudism...jz

You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.

[Zee]

On Sep 7, 3:58 pm, Living Your Life Naken

Post by Living Your Life Naken

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudismaccepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy ofnudismget it right....then the
problems in socialnudismwill go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

any that promotes socialnudism...jz

You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

but that is written by nudist such as yourself...the only real true
digest is jonZeee and friends....i mean you would not ask a govt beau.
of taxation how to beat the system and save on taxes ...would
you.....this is like asking the fox why all the feathers and no
chickens...jz

[Dan Myers]

Post by Zee
On Sep 7, 3:58 pm, Living Your Life Naken

Post by Living Your Life Naken

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudismaccepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy ofnudismget it right....then the
problems in socialnudismwill go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

any that promotes socialnudism...jz

You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

but that is written by nudist such as yourself...the only real true
digest is jonZeee and friends....i mean you would not ask a govt beau.
of taxation how to beat the system and save on taxes ...would
you.....this is like asking the fox why all the feathers and no
chickens...jz

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

[Brad Filippone]

Post by Zee
On Sep 7, 3:58 pm, Living Your Life Naken

Post by Living Your Life Naken

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Zee

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudismaccepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

yeah pete i know the feeling....so why did you not long ago tell the
nudist that ....hey we gotta stop this lying and dogma....cuz it will
bite us bad...don ya know pete....swingers are bright and see all the
misconceptions.....no erections on the front gate...and then they say
dont be ashamed of your erections they are a part of life ...and then
they say cover it.....he he....hey see there is the loop hole...hey
sports fans....see they are saying cum on in and enjoy your hard on
and do be sexual....pete ya got your work cut out for ya.....and when
you get it right you wont have no problems with sex...jz

Sorry, I was unable to decipher your babble, apart from this bit;
"and when you get it right you wont have no problems with sex."
I don't have a problem with sex, could do with more, but naturism is
no different to sport, when it's OK to shag on the terraces/bleachers
then I'll be happy with shagging on the beaches.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and when you and the hiarchy ofnudismget it right....then the
problems in socialnudismwill go away.....swingers are bright enough
to know that when sex and hard ons  are specificly explicitily not
acceptable behavior at a nudist venue ...then they just keep on going
and dont look back....but you and your nudist buddies welcome
them.....enjoy....jz

Explain,pray tell, how I welcome swingers? I've yet to meet one that
made themselves known as such.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

when you subscribe to an organization that does welcome swingers and
sex seekers and do not protest....all you guys are guilty and so blame
yourself not the swingers and sex seekers....they feel welcome when
they read and hear the stupid rhetoric and rules...jz

What organisation do I subscribe to that welcomes swingers?
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

any that promotes socialnudism...jz

You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

but that is written by nudist such as yourself...the only real true
digest is jonZeee and friends....i mean you would not ask a govt beau.
of taxation how to beat the system and save on taxes ...would
you.....this is like asking the fox why all the feathers and no
chickens...jz

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I sthis thread still going on?

Brad

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Living Your Life Naken
<***@livingyourlifenaken.com> wrote:

...

Post by Living Your Life Naken
You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.

Nice site. Congrats.

[Zee]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Living Your Life Naken
...

Post by Living Your Life Naken
You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.

Nice site. Congrats.

i have not even read the crap....but i could pick any one that comes
to rec nude apart and not even the feathers would be left...you lying
cult low life freaks.....jz

[TheWhiteCockatoo]

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Living Your Life Naken
...

Post by Living Your Life Naken
You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.

Nice site. Congrats.

i have not even read the crap....but i could pick any one that comes
to rec nude  apart and not even the feathers would be left...you lying
cult low life freaks.....jz

Aahh.... Thankfully our Feathers Free Season is about to start, so
obviously that doesn't apply to us or our Nice Normal Nudist Guests ;)

Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoo
http://www.tropicsnude.com

[Dan Myers]

Post by TheWhiteCockatoo

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Living Your Life Naken
...

Post by Living Your Life Naken
You can take a look at LivingYourLifeNaken.com to better understand
how nudism is in a natural enviroment.

Nice site. Congrats.

i have not even read the crap....but i could pick any one that comes
to rec nude  apart and not even the feathers would be left...you lying
cult low life freaks.....jz

Aahh.... Thankfully our Feathers Free Season is about to start, so
obviously that doesn't apply to us or our Nice Normal Nudist Guests ;)
Tony Fox
@ The World Famous White Cockatoohttp://www.tropicsnude.com- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Sounds like you're talking about Anna and JonZee.

[David Looser]

Post by Pete Knight

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures". That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I think you have misunderstood "Anna". He is trying to be sarcastic. In
"Anna's" world even thinking about sex "sexualises" whatever place or event
the thought occurs in or at. Only the truly pure can be naturists in his
world.

Post by Pete Knight
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism.

Yes, me too. Being "sexual creatures" (as we undoubtedly are) is one thing,
thinking that somehow being naked is an excuse for behaviour that wouldn't
be tolerated elsewhere is something else.

David.

[Anna]

Post by David Looser

Post by Pete Knight

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures". That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I think you have misunderstood "Anna". He is trying to be sarcastic. In
"Anna's" world even thinking about sex "sexualises" whatever place or event
the thought occurs in or at. Only the truly pure can be naturists in his
world.

But as Brad brings out (and no doubt you think he is lying) he doesn't
think about sex all the time. He can lay on the beach, even among
attractive people, and still not think of sex.

I can sit naked in a tub and not think of sex.

I believe people like Brad exist out there. I know because I am just
like that. But I am also coming to believe that there are people like
Lane and Dan out there who are "sexual creatures". I don't know if it
is genetic/biological or conditioning or a bit of both but they must
make just about everything they do sexual. They of course therefore
can' t be nudists. They just don't have the necessary mindset.

Some humans are "Sexual Creatures", but and I know it doesn't sounds
hip, lots of us aren't. For lots of us sex is just a small part of
what makes up our being. A small part of the total human experience.

But, yeah, there is a segment of our society where sex is everything.

Check out this group.

http://www.sexpositiveculture.org/

They even want to sexualize BIRTH.

http://www.tantricbirth.com/Welcome.html

Yeah, of course. I know becoming pregnant has to do with sex, but come
on, the actual delivery?

[Anna]

Well is it Richard?


http://www.seattlepi.com/local/408441_sex25.html

Didn't you go on some cable access show run by these freaks a while
back, Richard?

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by David Looser

Post by Pete Knight

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures". That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I think you have misunderstood "Anna". He is trying to be sarcastic. In
"Anna's" world even thinking about sex "sexualises" whatever place or event
the thought occurs in or at. Only the truly pure can be naturists in his
world.

But as Brad brings out (and no doubt you think he is lying) he doesn't
think about sex all the time. He can lay on the beach, even among
attractive people, and still not think of sex.

Brad is either lying to us or lying to himself and by extension us.

Post by Anna
I can sit naked in a tub and not think of sex.
I believe people like Brad  exist out there. I know because I am just
like that. But I am also coming to believe that there are people like
Lane and Dan out there who are "sexual creatures".  I don't know if it
is genetic/biological or conditioning or a bit of both but they must
make just about everything they do sexual.  They of course therefore
can' t be nudists.  They just don't have the necessary mindset.
Some humans are "Sexual Creatures", but and I know it doesn't sounds
hip, lots of us aren't. For lots of us sex is just a small part of
what makes up our being. A small part of the total human experience.

All humans are 'Sexual Creatures', to deny an inherent part of being
human is ridiculous to say the least.

Post by Anna
But, yeah, there is a segment of our society where sex is everything.

Not hard to figure Anna, you see Sex everywhere anyway.

Post by Anna
Check out this group.
http://www.sexpositiveculture.org/
They even want to sexualize BIRTH.
http://www.tantricbirth.com/Welcome.html
Yeah, of course. I know becoming pregnant has to do with sex, but come
on, the actual delivery?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Dan Myers]

Post by David Looser
Yes, me too. Being "sexual creatures" (as we undoubtedly are) is one thing,
thinking that somehow being naked is an excuse for behaviour that wouldn't
be tolerated elsewhere is something else.
David.

Really?

When did I say anything about asking to be allowed anything of the
sort?

But since you bring it up since when is sex not tolerated elsewhere?

[Dan Myers]

Post by Pete Knight
It really pisses me off that swingers and doggers try to hijack
naturism. Nudity without sexual content is what naturism is about, if
you want to add a sexual element to your state of undress, why not
admit that it's swinging and/or digging and leave us to our innocent
nudity, it's difficult enough to get naturism/nudism accepted, but to
ask for wholesale shagging on the beaches to be accepted is a step to
far, lets concentrate on a wider acceptance of nudity first.
Pete- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When normal humans are involved in anything than there is a "sexual
element" involved as well.
As I've said, usually the reason that people become so vehement
against something is because they actually recognize something of
themselves in it, like the guy that has homosexual thoughts and beats
up a gay guy to essentially combat that 'taint' in themselves.


Nobody is asking for permission for open sex on the beaches (love
those euphemisms), but many people believe that if you accepted
instead of trying to reject the (in some people) minor sexual
component then others would be more accepting of your "innocent
nudism", it is your trying to aggressively deny that that causes many
to question what else you're trying to hide.

[Brad Filippone]

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)

Brad

[Dan Myers]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

[Brad Filippone]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

And you're trying to say that YOUR argument has substance?

Okay, it would be foolish to deny that most human beings are "sexual
creatures." But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach. Yes, I am quite capable of getting sexually aroused--when
the time and place is appropriate!

Brad

[Anna]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

And you're trying to say that YOUR argument has substance?
Okay, it would be foolish to deny that most human beings are "sexual
creatures."  But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.  Yes, I am quite capable of getting sexually aroused--when
the time and place is appropriate!
Brad

I deny it.

Yeah among the thousands of things humans do we have sex. We don't
have to define ourselves by it though I know there is a population out
there that does.

[Anna]

Post by Brad Filippone
 But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.
Brad

No Brad, you are LYING.

See, Dan thinks a certain way. So everyone must think just like him.

Pedophiles think the same way. They think all men are attracted to
preteen girls. They are just the ones "courageous" enough to buck the
restraints of society and act upon their desires.

They can't believe that, no, we really, really don't think like they
do. They think that we are the ones who are in denial about these
desires. They think we are all LYING.

Dan, I don't think you are lying. I think you really do believe you
think this way and you think everyone else does too.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Brad Filippone
 But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.
Brad

No Brad, you are LYING.
See, Dan thinks a certain way. So everyone must think just like him.
Pedophiles think the same way. They think all men are attracted to
preteen girls. They are just the ones "courageous" enough to buck the
restraints of society and act upon their desires.
They can't believe that, no, we really, really don't think like they
do. They think that we are the ones who are in denial about these
desires.   They think we are all LYING.
Dan, I don't think you are lying. I think you really do believe you
think this way and you think everyone else does too.

Anna...Dan and i are four square on the sexual orientation.....just
because i say guys are all pedos does mean if they are like
us....meaning if they are like the media profile...of all men think of
sex every 17 minutes.....i know there is folks that have interest
above sex and sex is just not a top priority in their lives ...and
there are lots of them.....i am talking about the every 17 minute
kind....they arrange their lives around their sexual desires.....so
Dan nor i are lying it just needs to be said that if you have
questions feel free to ask.....jz

[Dan Myers]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Brad Filippone
 But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.
Brad

No Brad, you are LYING.
See, Dan thinks a certain way. So everyone must think just like him.
Pedophiles think the same way. They think all men are attracted to
preteen girls. They are just the ones "courageous" enough to buck the
restraints of society and act upon their desires.
They can't believe that, no, we really, really don't think like they
do. They think that we are the ones who are in denial about these
desires.   They think we are all LYING.
Dan, I don't think you are lying. I think you really do believe you
think this way and you think everyone else does too.

Anna...Dan and i are four square on the sexual orientation.....just
because i say guys are all pedos does mean if they are like
us....meaning if they are like the media profile...of all men think of
sex every 17 minutes.....i know there is folks that have interest
above sex and sex is just not a top priority in their lives ...and
there are lots of them.....i am talking about the every 17 minute
kind....they arrange their lives around their sexual desires.....so
Dan nor i are lying it just needs to be said that if you have
questions feel free to ask.....jz

Close enough for now.

G'night JonZee

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by Brad Filippone
 But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.
Brad

No Brad, you are LYING.
See, Dan thinks a certain way. So everyone must think just like him.

Interestingly I never said anything of the sort, but that is par for
the course with you Anna.
What I have said is that consciously or subconsciously everyone has
sexual impulses, it is our conscious response to these impulses that
raises us above the lesser animals.

Post by Anna
Pedophiles think the same way. They think all men are attracted to
preteen girls. They are just the ones "courageous" enough to buck the
restraints of society and act upon their desires.

And what do you know about pedophiles?
Most of them that I have counseled do not consider themselves
"courageous", rather they speak of being "weak", "misunderstood",
"sick" or claim that they are also a victim.

Post by Anna
They can't believe that, no, we really, really don't think like they
do. They think that we are the ones who are in denial about these
desires.   They think we are all LYING.

Consciously or subconsciously yes you are denying what you are.
Interesting though how you try to link my "Sexual Creature" to
Pedophilia, reminds me of people trying to link certain political
parties to racism, more "scare tactics" Anna?

Post by Anna
Dan, I don't think you are lying. I think you really do believe you
think this way and you think everyone else does too.

And I think that you are not only in denial but that you actually
think you know more about human nature than you actually do.

I feel sorry for anyone so afraid of being human.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

And you're trying to say that YOUR argument has substance?
Okay, it would be foolish to deny that most human beings are "sexual
creatures."  But a mature person is very capable of putting aside that
impulse, even to the point of it not even entering his or her head.

'Consciously', but subconsciously it is there.
You see the thing is many people belive that if they don't consciously
think about something, if they block it from thier conscious mind that
it won't have any effect on them, but that is far from the truth as
your subconscious actually has much more influence than your conscious
does.
You just don't realize it.

Post by Brad Filippone
As I stated in an earlier post, I do this all the time on my local
nude beach.  Yes, I am quite capable of getting sexually aroused--when
the time and place is appropriate!
Brad

I never said that the human as an admitted "Sexual Creature" could not
control when and where he/she becomes 'aroused' and decides to have
sex, that is something the others spread around.

[Anna]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

Most people aren't Sexual Creatures.

To most people sex is a very small part of their lives.

Just because one of the thousands of things humans do is have sex it
doesn't make them "Sexual creatures".

But I do believe that there are humans who are "Sexual Creatures".
You are probable one of them.

[Anna]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

If you're "Sexual Creature" argument is correct then it just confirms
my fear that nudism, while it sounds good, just can't exist in
reality. Not when you throw the human element in.

If you are correct then only children could be nudists. Just like with
Adam and Eve when they hadn't yet bit from the tree of knowledge of
good and evil. Once children become aware of the larger significance
of their nudity they can't go back to their previous innocence.

Nude isn't lewd UNTIL you put humans into the equation.

SO, your argment DEMANDS the end of Family nudism because according to
your argument family nudism is a lie.

Even if there are those out there who aren't "sexual creatures". Even
if those people even make up a majority of the population still there
are too many people out there who are who will go to nudist venues to
inflitate and then sexualized it.

If nudist camps can't keep out a white trash couple and their pot
plants they can't keep out "sexual creatures".

Nudism, if possible isn't practical.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Pete Knight

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad

Oh, Brad, but we are all "Sexual Creatures".  That means sex must
enter the picture for it enters everything we do including getting up
and having our frosted flakes in the morning.

Bleedin' hell, if you can get aroused by a bowl of frosted flakes you
must be a friggin' horny git.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Anna was being
sarcastic. :)
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

When Anna has nothing else Anna resorts to sarcasm.
Since Anna can't really has realized that she can't really refute my
"Sexual Creature" argument, Sarcasm.

If you're "Sexual Creature" argument is correct then it just confirms
my fear that nudism, while it sounds good, just can't exist in
reality.  Not when you throw the human element in.

Actually what it confirms is that what you fear is your own inherent
sexuality once you learn to accept that then you will be able to
accept that true nudism can be practicable in all forms, "Adult Only"
and "Family Oriented".
Until you can accept that aspect of yourself than no for you it will
be an impossibility.

Post by Anna
If you are correct then only children could be nudists. Just like with
Adam and Eve when they hadn't yet bit from the tree of knowledge of
good and evil. Once children become aware of the larger significance
of their nudity they can't go back to their previous innocence.

Now here you go again referring back to Biblical reference to try to
label nudity as "Evil".
The thing is that that part says nothing about nudity or anything
related to it being in any fashion "Evil".

Post by Anna
Nude isn't lewd UNTIL you put humans into the equation.

Wrong again, nudity itself is not "lewd" it is your perception of the
nudity.
You see I can look at a nude person and see the innate beauty while
admitting the sexuality which only enhances the viewing much as salt
or garlic enhances a meal.
The sexualness of something does not overwhelm as you imply, but it
does "add flavour".

Post by Anna
SO, your argment DEMANDS the end of Family nudism because according to
your argument family nudism is a lie.

No, it does not.
What it says is that it would show the truth and help the accetance of
family nudism to acknowledge the inherent sexuality that many people
see, but these others try to refuse.
It is a fallacy to say that by acknowledging this that nudism will
become a sexual free-for-all, as has been mentioned numerous times
even by you us humans can indeed control when, where and even with
whom we have sex.

Post by Anna
Even if there are those out there who aren't "sexual creatures". Even
if those people even make up a majority of the population still there
are too many people out there who are who will go to nudist venues to
inflitate and then sexualized it.

Not necessarily, that would come under the heading of "fear-mongering"
I think, also "scare tactics".
"If we do this then this will assuredly happen".
It comes back to as I stated people being able to control themselves
and the proprietors of the venues setting and enforcing appropriate
rules.
And I deleted your "Pot plant" reference as nonsensical hyperbole.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Lane

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
Not everyone thinks like you do. There are really people out there
for whom sex isn't really a major part of their lives.

Once again anyone that looks back at my posts (which is why I left
them) they can see that I never said that sex is a “Major Part” of our
lives.

I know you are not speaking for me when you say that, but I do speak
with others when I say I (and those others) do consider sex a major part
of our lives. I'm not a pervert. I just like sex and engage in a lot of
it. I don't judge others for whom sex is not a major part of their
lives, but I am not going to apologize for it being a major part of
mine.

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Anna
We have sex. We also eat. We go to the bathroom. We write novels. We
build buildings. We swim.  We run. We.. and I can go on and on and
on.

So do I and those that feel the same way I do about this subject, sex
does not ‘Dominate’ our lives, but we do not try to deny that it is a
part of our lives either.

There's a big gap between "major part of our lives" and "dominate our
lives."

I know, it's just that even though I thought I did a pretty good job
of explaining what I was talking about Anna still tried to make out as
if I were admitting to being a "Sex Fiend" or something, like talking
about the sexual nature of humanity meant that I was running aroung
'jumping' any female that came near me.

Post by Lane
Like most adults, I can control myself when sexual behavior is
unwelcome, but I also seek out social situations where it is not
unwelcome. And, at the risk of sort of sounding like I'm siding with
Dan, I can enjoy the sexual energy of nude social encounters, if it
happens to exist (as it sometimes does even at non-sexual nudist events)
without actually engaging in sexual behavior.
I only contributed to this because I wanted to further enhance the point
that sexual beings (even significantly sexual beings) can still behave
in situations where it is unwelcome, even if there is nudity involved.
--
Lane

Don't worry Lane, we can still disagree on Politics.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oddly enough, I can enjoy an afternoon on the local nude beach without
a single sexual thought entering my head.  I'm sure there are many
others like me.  And it's not as if there aren't a few people that the
average person might consider attractive--it's just not the
appropriate venue for it, so it doesn't enter the picture.
Brad- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

And though I know you will deny it, I would say that you are either
lying to us or to yourself and us.

Anonymous polling shows that people think about sex quite often, they
just don't talk about it because it is "inappropriate" to talk about
that.

Whe nyou talk of seeing people " that the average person might
consider attractive" that is a sexual thought because your average
person does not class "Attractiveness" by mere aesthetics they rate it
by "Sexual Attraction".

Now I know you'll deny it, but it is the truth.

[Anna]

Post by Dan Myers
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

I know you weren't bragging. I was just saying people like to brag
about how often they get sex. It's not popular to say this but for
most people its true that sex just isn't a big part of their lives.
For most of us it's a part of our lives, but if we were honest with
ourselves and others not a big part of our lives.

You might be stating facts about YOUR condition. And it might be a
condition that many humans share. But don't think everyone thinks like
you and have the same pulls with the same intensities.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Anna

Post by Dan Myers
Nor was I ‘Bragging’ about anything, I was stating facts about the
human condition.

I know you weren't bragging. I was just saying people like to brag
about how often they get sex. It's not popular to say this but for
most people its true that sex just isn't a big part of their lives.
For most of us it's a part of our lives, but if we were honest with
ourselves and others not a big part of our lives.

Why is it that you have to keep up with this portioning the amount of
my life that sex is??
No matter how you measure the amounts sex is still a part of everyone,
even you and to try to deny it is to deny something that is as much a
part of you as your genitals.

Post by Anna
You might be stating facts about YOUR condition. And it might be a
condition that many humans share. But don't think everyone thinks like
you and have the same pulls with the same intensities.

And I don't think that you should presume that more people think the
way you do than agree with my views.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
<***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

...

Post by Dan Myers
The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

By that same reasoning, wearing a bikini (or a burka) is inherently
sexual because humans are inherently sexual.

Hmmm. Maybe that is more sexual, much more sexual. After all, a bikini
is just a decoration for some parts of the body that we want observers
to consider as their "sex objects" if allowed to see them.

In the case of a burka, the entire woman is being held out to be a sex
object if seen by an observer!

Let me expand on what you said with, perhaps, minor revision ...

Naturists don't stop being sexual, we just stop declaring certain
parts of our body as other people's sex objects, and we ask that other
people do not treat them as their sex objects just because they happen
to be undecorated.

In the West, no one would normally treat our lips, eyes, neck and ears
as their sex objects just because they were undecorated. It is nothing
different, neither more restrictive nor more liberal.

That has nothing to do with having sex when we mutually agree to. It
has everything to do with respect and empathy until then.

[Zee]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

By that same reasoning, wearing a bikini (or a burka) is inherently
sexual because humans are inherently sexual.
Hmmm. Maybe that is more sexual, much more sexual. After all, a bikini
is just a decoration for some parts of the body that we want observers
to consider as their "sex objects" if allowed to see them.
In the case of a burka, the entire woman is being held out to be a sex
object if seen by an observer!
Let me expand on what you said with, perhaps, minor revision ...
Naturists don't stop being sexual, we just stop declaring certain
parts of our body as other people's sex objects, and we ask that other
people do not treat them as their sex objects just because they happen
to be undecorated.
In the West, no one would normally treat our lips, eyes, neck and ears
as their sex objects just because they were undecorated. It is nothing
different, neither more restrictive nor more liberal.
That has nothing to do with having sex when we mutually agree to. It
has everything to do with respect and empathy until then.

hmmmm....so stuffed idiot speaks for all of humanity....respect and
empathy is to be used by all folks to occomodate the behavior of a
frenze group of society that chooses to go out of bounds and strip off
le minimum to cover what the 99.9 says and has agreed upon.....well i
just bet the next blue planet we find in our solar system will be no
different than this one....the sexuality of man will override all
ignorant guffy talk of respect and empathy in regards to restraint
pertaining to sexual behavior when a minority decides to try and force
the 99.9 to yield to their behavioral norm.....what kind of a fucked
up minority do we have here that is apparently being overwhelmed by
right and human type reasoning....jz

[Brad Filippone]

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

By that same reasoning, wearing a bikini (or a burka) is inherently
sexual because humans are inherently sexual.
Hmmm. Maybe that is more sexual, much more sexual. After all, a bikini
is just a decoration for some parts of the body that we want observers
to consider as their "sex objects" if allowed to see them.
In the case of a burka, the entire woman is being held out to be a sex
object if seen by an observer!
Let me expand on what you said with, perhaps, minor revision ...
Naturists don't stop being sexual, we just stop declaring certain
parts of our body as other people's sex objects, and we ask that other
people do not treat them as their sex objects just because they happen
to be undecorated.
In the West, no one would normally treat our lips, eyes, neck and ears
as their sex objects just because they were undecorated. It is nothing
different, neither more restrictive nor more liberal.
That has nothing to do with having sex when we mutually agree to. It
has everything to do with respect and empathy until then.

hmmmm....so stuffed idiot speaks for all of humanity....respect and
empathy is to be used by all folks to occomodate the behavior of a
frenze group of society that chooses to go out of bounds and strip off
le minimum to cover what the 99.9 says and has agreed upon.....well i
just bet the next blue planet we find in our solar system will be no
different than this one....the sexuality of man will override all
ignorant guffy talk of respect and empathy in regards to restraint
pertaining to sexual behavior when a minority decides to try and force
the 99.9 to yield to their behavioral norm.....what kind of a fucked
up minority do we have here that is apparently being overwhelmed by
right and human type reasoning....jz

Let me guess, you were born covered in textile from head to toe,
weren't you?

[Zee]

Post by Brad Filippone

Post by Zee

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

By that same reasoning, wearing a bikini (or a burka) is inherently
sexual because humans are inherently sexual.
Hmmm. Maybe that is more sexual, much more sexual. After all, a bikini
is just a decoration for some parts of the body that we want observers
to consider as their "sex objects" if allowed to see them.
In the case of a burka, the entire woman is being held out to be a sex
object if seen by an observer!
Let me expand on what you said with, perhaps, minor revision ...
Naturists don't stop being sexual, we just stop declaring certain
parts of our body as other people's sex objects, and we ask that other
people do not treat them as their sex objects just because they happen
to be undecorated.
In the West, no one would normally treat our lips, eyes, neck and ears
as their sex objects just because they were undecorated. It is nothing
different, neither more restrictive nor more liberal.
That has nothing to do with having sex when we mutually agree to. It
has everything to do with respect and empathy until then.

hmmmm....so stuffed idiot speaks for all of humanity....respect and
empathy is to be used by all folks to occomodate the behavior of a
frenze group of society that chooses to go out of bounds and strip off
le minimum to cover what the 99.9 says and has agreed upon.....well i
just bet the next blue planet we find in our solar system will be no
different than this one....the sexuality of man will override all
ignorant guffy talk of respect and empathy in regards to restraint
pertaining to sexual behavior when a minority decides to try and force
the 99.9 to yield to their behavioral norm.....what kind of a fucked
up minority do we have here that is apparently being overwhelmed by
right and human type reasoning....jz

Let me guess, you were born covered in textile from head to toe,
weren't you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

and were you not born inherently evil and the careful child raising of
a civilized society needed to teach you what it means to be
human......rather than animalistic...so if you are really all that
hell bent on going naked in public because you were born naked...then
explain why you are ashamed of erections and sex...oh so you were born
a hypocrite....uh huh....jz

[Dan Myers]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
The thing that a lot of nudists refuse to acknowledge is that while
your practicing of nudism doesn't have to incorporate an active sexual
component that nudism is inherently sexual because humans are
inherently sexual, to deny that sexuality is to deny a part of your
humanity.

[snipped the absurd cross posting]
I don't think it's true that nudists aren't sexual, it's just that when
it's sex, you call it sex, when it's nudism you don't call it sex.  
Seems pretty simple.  When I'm nude while having sex, I call that sex.  
It isn't nudism.  When I'm nude with small children, I call that nudism.  
It isn't sex.

Post by Stuffed Tiger
By that same reasoning, wearing a bikini (or a burka) is inherently
sexual because humans are inherently sexual.

I think we're on the same page, ST.  Dan WhatsHisNameToday isn't.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

What is 'simple' is that the two of you and others like you are almost
as ashamed and afraid of your own sexuality as the Anna that you
ridicule so much.

And what is 'absurd' is how hard you are working to claim that your
nudism is different that yours is as 'pure' as Anna says it should be.
It is 'absurd' that you try to say that Anna can't tell you how to
practice nudism, but you mouth her platitudes almost verbatim.

Whether I am with my family, with children adults or alone in the
woods it is 'Nudism' and yes when I am 'tapping a new one' that is
also 'Nudism'.

Saying that Nudism ceases to be 'Nudism' just because a person thinks
of or engages in sex is just plain idiocy.

You people need to turn the 'page' or better yet just close that book
and look at the real world.

Oh, Abel why don't you drop your 'what' his name today' crap, it does
nothing to invalidate my points and makes you look stupid.
There is life beyond Wohler Bridge.

[Stuffed Tiger]

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:13:45 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
<***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

...

Post by Dan Myers
What is 'simple' is that the two of you and others like you are almost
as ashamed and afraid of your own sexuality as the Anna that you
ridicule so much.

Not really, and I have the wife and kids to prove it.

Post by Dan Myers
And what is 'absurd' is how hard you are working to claim that your
nudism is different that yours is as 'pure' as Anna says it should be.

Never said that. What was said was that nobody should be forcing sex
shows on nudist families. It really is that simple.

Post by Dan Myers
Whether I am with my family, with children adults or alone in the
woods it is 'Nudism' and yes when I am 'tapping a new one' that is
also 'Nudism'.

Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and grill a hot dog and talk
with a friend at the same time. That doesn't make them the same.

Just because we can do two or more distinct things at the same time
does not make them the same thing. 'Grilling a hot dog' is still
'grilling a hot dog' and 'talking with a friend is still 'talking with
a friend' and 'practicing Nudism' is still 'practicing Nudism.'

Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and 'tap a new one' at the
same time. What we said was that 'tapping a new one' was not the same
as practicing Nudism and that forcing nudist families to be confronted
with 'tapping a new one' was not only rude but very possibly illegal.

Post by Dan Myers
Saying that Nudism ceases to be 'Nudism' just because a person thinks
of or engages in sex is just plain idiocy.

Saying that practicing Nudism gives anyone the license to force sexual
activity (or smoking activity or loud late night activity) on nudist
families is mean, as well as stupid.

Post by Dan Myers
You people need to turn the 'page' or better yet just close that book
and look at the real world.

Try telling the police that practicing Camping gives you the license
to force sexual activity on camping families in a KOA campground.

[Dan Myers]

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:13:45 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
What is 'simple' is that the two of you and others like you are almost
as ashamed and afraid of your own sexuality as the Anna that you
ridicule so much.

Not really, and I have the wife and kids to prove it.

that just proves that you can have sex, that does not prove that you
are not afraid and/or ashamed of your sexuality.

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
And what is 'absurd' is how hard you are working to claim that your
nudism is different that yours is as 'pure' as Anna says it should be.

Never said that. What was said was that nobody should be forcing sex
shows on nudist families. It really is that simple.

and once I again I have to state that at no time did I say anything
about "Forcing" sex shows upon anyone, what are you doing channeling
Anna??

I never once said anything even remotely like that.

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
Whether I am with my family, with children adults or alone in the
woods it is 'Nudism' and yes when I am 'tapping a new one' that is
also 'Nudism'.

Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and grill a hot dog and talk
with a friend at the same time. That doesn't make them the same.
Just because we can do two or more distinct things at the same time
does not make them the same thing. 'Grilling a hot dog' is still
'grilling a hot dog' and 'talking with a friend is still 'talking with
a friend' and 'practicing Nudism' is still 'practicing Nudism.'
Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and 'tap a new one' at the
same time. What we said was that 'tapping a new one' was not the same
as practicing Nudism and that forcing nudist families to be confronted
with 'tapping a new one' was not only rude but very possibly illegal.

Once again I never said anything about "forcing" anyone least of all
families to watch, I never even spoke of having public sex.
How about you show me anywhere that I said that, not where someone
else said it where I said it??

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
Saying that Nudism ceases to be 'Nudism' just because a person thinks
of or engages in sex is just plain idiocy.

Saying that practicing Nudism gives anyone the license to force sexual
activity (or smoking activity or loud late night activity) on nudist
families is mean, as well as stupid.

You are just stuck on this frigg'n insistence that I somewhere in my
postings stated that I want to perform sex acts with women in front of
your (or someone elses) families.
I never said that, why do you keep trying to insist that I did?

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
You people need to turn the 'page' or better yet just close that book
and look at the real world.

Try telling the police that practicing Camping gives you the license
to force sexual activity on camping families in a KOA campground.

God, you are a frigg'n Broken Damn rcord!!!!

I will say it again.

I have at no time said that I want to force anyone least of all your
family to watch me screw some female!!!

Get over your frigg'n delusions Tiger!!!

[Zee]

Post by Dan Myers

Post by Stuffed Tiger
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:13:45 -0700 (PDT), Dan Myers
...

Post by Dan Myers
What is 'simple' is that the two of you and others like you are almost
as ashamed and afraid of your own sexuality as the Anna that you
ridicule so much.

Not really, and I have the wife and kids to prove it.

that just proves that you can have sex, that does not prove that you
are not afraid and/or ashamed of your sexuality.

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
And what is 'absurd' is how hard you are working to claim that your
nudism is different that yours is as 'pure' as Anna says it should be.

Never said that. What was said was that nobody should be forcing sex
shows on nudist families. It really is that simple.

and once I again I have to state that at no time did I say anything
about "Forcing" sex shows upon anyone, what are you doing channeling
Anna??
I never once said anything even remotely like that.

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
Whether I am with my family, with children adults or alone in the
woods it is 'Nudism' and yes when I am 'tapping a new one' that is
also 'Nudism'.

Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and grill a hot dog and talk
with a friend at the same time. That doesn't make them the same.
Just because we can do two or more distinct things at the same time
does not make them the same thing. 'Grilling a hot dog' is still
'grilling a hot dog' and 'talking with a friend is still 'talking with
a friend' and 'practicing Nudism' is still 'practicing Nudism.'
Nobody said you couldn't practice Nudism and 'tap a new one' at the
same time. What we said was that 'tapping a new one' was not the same
as practicing Nudism and that forcing nudist families to be confronted
with 'tapping a new one' was not only rude but very possibly illegal.

Once again I never said anything about "forcing" anyone least of all
families to watch, I never even spoke of having public sex.
How about you show me anywhere that I said that, not where someone
else said it where I said it??

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
Saying that Nudism ceases to be 'Nudism' just because a person thinks
of or engages in sex is just plain idiocy.

Saying that practicing Nudism gives anyone the license to force sexual
activity (or smoking activity or loud late night activity) on nudist
families is mean, as well as stupid.

You are just stuck on this frigg'n insistence that I somewhere in my
postings stated that I want to perform sex acts with women in front of
your (or someone elses) families.
I never said that, why do you keep trying to insist that I did?

Post by Stuffed Tiger

Post by Dan Myers
You people need to turn the 'page' or better yet just close that book
and look at the real world.

Try telling the police that practicing Camping gives you the license
to force sexual activity on camping families in a KOA campground.

God, you are a frigg'n Broken Damn rcord!!!!
I will say it again.
I have at no time said that I want to force anyone least of all your
family to watch me screw some female!!!
Get over your frigg'n delusions Tiger!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

i guess about the only thing i have never seen at a nudist camp is
someone forcing someone to watch children or adults having sex jackin
off or whatever.....i think that it is stupid to think that nudist
need to be helped to resist such sexual activity.....jz

[Dan Myers]

...

I think we're on the same page, ST.  Dan WhatsHisNameToday isn't.

:-)))

I think you're stuck in the past idiots, but that's your problem not
mine.