Video: Are these the kinds of pervs you will run into at Nudist venues?

[Anna]

Below is a link to another one of Gypsy Taub's My Naked Truth program.

She interviews a nudist couple, Julie and Rich. They seem pretty nice
and normal until they got talking a bit. Seems that they met at
Lupin Lodge. Julie though, was already married so even though Rich was
attracted to her he had to wait.

His opportunity came when Julie's husband suggested that they do a
"three way" which Rich immediately agreed to. I guess this went on
for a while but eventually Julie's husband decided that he was tired
of such an arrangement (or perhaps he caught on that she was much more
attracted to Rich than him) and told her that she had to choose. She
chose Rich.

A three way? Rich and Julie have the nerve to call themselves
Christians?

I have always wondered if while I am not saying that nudism in and of
itself is a sexual perversion, that it seems that sexual perverts are
attracted to nudist venues in a larger percentage than the public at
large. With this concentration it does become a consideration whether
or not a person would want to be associated with such sexual deviants,
especially if the person brings their children.

Here's the link to the program.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

You can leave comments about the program at the blog below but again,
warning, the blog itself is very sexual.

http://www.mynakedtruth.tv/2009/02/my-naked-truth-julie-and-rich-part-1.html

[Alex Heney]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT), Anna <***@lycos.com>
wrote:

While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

And if there wasn't, then why call them "pervs"?

That says more about you than about them.

And the fact that you seem to care about whether you might run into
such people says even more about you.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?
And if there wasn't, then why call them "pervs"?
That says more about you than about them.
And the fact that you seem to care about whether you might run into
such people says even more about you.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
If God wanted us to do Hex we'd have 16 fingers
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

Has little to do with naturism? They were naked in the video and were
discussing naturism.

Why were they pervs? In the video they mentioned how they were doing
a three way with her former husband!

I just wouldn't want to be around such sickos and it worries me that
such people are attracted to naturism.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?
And if there wasn't, then why call them "pervs"?
That says more about you than about them.
And the fact that you seem to care about whether you might run into
such people says even more about you.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
If God wanted us to do Hex we'd have 16 fingers
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

Has little to do with naturism? They were naked in the video and were
discussing naturism.

That is why I said "little" rather than "nothing".

the parts you focused on had nothing to do with naturism.

Post by Anna
Why were they pervs? In the video they mentioned how they were doing
a three way with her former husband!

You think that is somehow "perverted" do you?

I suggest you look the word up in a dictionary.

Post by Anna
I just wouldn't want to be around such sickos and it worries me that
such people are attracted to naturism.

Then you had better go and live on top of a mountain somewhere with
nobody else around.

You will find if you look up statistics on the subject that at least
25% of people have been involved in threesomes (or more) at some time.
Most sources suggest the proportion is higher than that.

Like I said, your intolerance says a lot more about you than it does
about them.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
You will find if you look up statistics on the subject that at least
25% of people have been involved in threesomes (or more) at some time.
Most sources suggest the proportion is higher than that.

What reports are those? Kinsey's who had little kids molested?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=214105

http://tinyurl.com/2g6fsnb

Perhaps 25% of nudists have had a threesome (or more) but even there
it seems kind of high. I would say more like 15 percent but still 15
percent can cause lots of trouble for the rest who are just normal
sexually (since for nudists they don't consider their nudism as being
sexual).

As for the general public would say the percentage is more like
between 1 % and .5% of the American public.

On the sitcom "Will and Grace" there was an episode where Grace was
thinking about doing a three way and even on that immoral show she
decides she can't go through with it. If they can't even portray
someone deciding to have a three way and going through with it on a
show like "Will and Grace" that tells your something (By the way I
was channel surfing when I saw that part of the episode. I have never
watched a full episode).

http://www.tv.com/will-and-grace/love-plus-one/episode/5115/summary.html

http://tinyurl.com/2f6pykw

Perverts always think that the rest of the world is as perverted as
they are. Sorry scumbags, it's just not true.

One of the reasons they think that is of course self justification but
I think another reason is that's the crowd they hang with. Most all
their friend are perverts too.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
You will find if you look up statistics on the subject that at least
25% of people have been involved in threesomes (or more) at some time.
Most sources suggest the proportion is higher than that.

What reports are those? Kinsey's who had little kids molested?

Of course not

Why play stupid?

Why on earth do you believe that I would think 50 year old reports
that have been widely discredited would have any relevance?

Post by Anna
Perhaps 25% of nudists have had a threesome (or more) but even there
it seems kind of high. I would say more like 15 percent but still 15
percent can cause lots of trouble for the rest who are just normal
sexually (since for nudists they don't consider their nudism as being
sexual).
As for the general public would say the percentage is more like
between 1 % and .5% of the American public.

That is a pure guess on your part.

I doubt very much you will find many statistical surveys on the
subject from the last decade which puts the figure much below 10%.

As an example, here is a survey carried out on behalf of ABC
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/PollVault/story?id=156921&page=1

Here is an aggregation of a number of surveys
http://www.eioba.com/a71243/swinging_threesomes_and_group_sex_statistical_data

Or one for HealthGuru
http://sex.healthguru.com/applications/survey/srvyid/7/Sex_What_Have_You_Done
(you will have to answer the first question to see the overall
responses)

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna
On the sitcom "Will and Grace" there was an episode where

Oh, yeah... *you've* done your research. Been to the Library of Sitcoms,
even.

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
On the sitcom "Will and Grace" there was an episode where

Oh, yeah... *you've* done your research. Been to the Library of Sitcoms,
even.
--
JDG

It shows societal attitudes towards threesomes. Even some of the most
liberal minded among us are repulsed by it.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
On the sitcom "Will and Grace" there was an episode where

Oh, yeah... *you've* done your research. Been to the Library of Sitcoms,
even.

It shows societal attitudes towards threesomes.

It shows the internal conflicts of a fictional character.

That is all.

Post by Anna
Even some of the most
liberal minded among us are repulsed by it.

So you say. But unless you have some hard facts (not squishy TeeVee
fiction) behind your assertions, they are as hollow as an episode of
Will & Grace.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

That says a lot about you if you really believe that.

Post by Alex Heney
And if there wasn't, then why call them "pervs"?
That says more about you than about them.
And the fact that you seem to care about whether you might run into
such people says even more about you.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
If God wanted us to do Hex we'd have 16 fingers
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.

It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

Post by Anna
That says a lot about you if you really believe that.

It does.

It says that I have a better idea of what is "perverted" than you do.

[Zee]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

Post by Anna
That says a lot about you if you really believe that.

It does.
It says that I have  a better idea of what is "perverted" than you do.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

a criminal mind...a social misfit....a homosexual....sex out of
wedlock...sex between different races....and marriage amd sex between
anyone other than one man and one woman of the same race....can be
considered deviant and perverted behavior..by the majority......z

[Jenny6833A]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.

Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

:-)

Jenny
(Born of a virgin? A life without sin? Scoring 100 points in a
basketball game?)

[Alex Heney]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.

In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.

[Zee]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.
In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Lobotomize Hillary - Now there's a health plan.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

that was a stupid question to ask you a perverted
nudist.....z

[Jenny6833A]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.
In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.

LOL. Then highly unusual is not sufficient to define perverted. What
else is required?

:-)

Jenny

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.
In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Lobotomize Hillary - Now there's a health plan.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

No, in order to be perverted it has to subvert the natural order or be
unhealthy to the people involved or the general society.

I guess in some ways you could say a three way with two women and one
male isn't perverted because I am sure in caveman times that's how the
dominate male did things and it does spread the sperm so from a
biological perspective that is the goal of every male (male not only
being human). But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight. But we have something
called civilization and that depends on a strong family structure.
From a biological sense I guess there's little problem with a male
having sex with a woman and then just leaving her in the lurch and not
deal with her again while she raises the child, but such a behavior
besides just being cruel on the woman fails to develop this important
social structure. And even in these days where sex doesn't have to
equal pregnancy besides being disrespectful to women it is not healthy
for a person in a social sense. Julie's husband eventually realized
this and couldn't handle any more the competition Rich was to him.
But of course it was too late for his relationship with his wife.

So yeah, this perverts the roles that society depends upon to be
strong. Humans are not beasts in the sense that we have self control.
If we didn't then there would be nothing wrong with physically harming
people and even killing them if they mess with their females because
that is what animals do. Until of course they have impregnate the
female and then in most cases they just abandon her.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.
In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Lobotomize Hillary - Now there's a health plan.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

No, in order to be perverted it has to subvert the natural order or be
unhealthy to the people involved or the general society.
I guess in some ways you could say a three way with two women and one
male isn't perverted because I am sure in caveman times that's how the
dominate male did things and it does spread the sperm so from a
biological perspective that is the goal of every male (male not only
being human). But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight. But we have something
called civilization and that depends on a strong family structure.
From a biological sense I guess there's little problem with a male
having sex with a woman and then just leaving her in the lurch and not
deal with her again while she raises the child, but such a behavior
besides just being cruel on the woman fails to develop this important
social structure. And even in these days where sex doesn't have to
equal pregnancy besides being disrespectful to women it is not healthy
for a person in a social sense.  Julie's husband eventually realized
this and couldn't handle any more the competition Rich was to him.
But of course it was too late for his relationship with his wife.
So yeah, this perverts the roles that society depends upon to be
strong.  Humans are not beasts in the sense that we have self control.
If we didn't then there would be nothing wrong with physically harming
people and even killing them if they mess with their females because
that is what animals do.  Until of course they have impregnate the
female and then in most cases they just abandon her.- Hide quoted text -
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OK....Anna...you and this perv....sorta ran your bus in the ditch...i
have a chain and i will hook er up a pull you guys out......he does
seem to have social nudism experience.....so here goes the numbers
close to right......at any nudist camp you will find about 60 to 70
percent couples without children hanging out in a large group usually
close to a game of volleyball ....take a seat in the rear and watch
and use your ears.....most all are accepted by all.....and in that
crowd there will be about 25 percent that are active swingers....and
50 percent have been seen to pursue a swinging situation....but have
not hooked up.....the 25 percent are working on them so a few can be
added each weekend to the full blown swinger list....may another 5
percent.....now on your textile percentages...you seem to alienate the
nudist as being the center of swinging......not so .....nudist are not
even a speck on the chart of the total population.....now the textiles
include whores pimps all the sex businesses and the drug
culture.....and just plain ol jack and jane on your street that has
mingled with the above and have went to dirty book stores where the
nudist magazines used to be found and there is local swinger rags and
of course there may be swinger rags out front in the underground news
racks along with the wall street journal.....throw all those folks
into a big barrel and it will approach between 15 to 20 percent of the
total population......that is a bunch of people...whew...glad we
finally got that straight.....up through the fifties those number
would have been considerably lower due to religious enfluence that is
being now suppressed....so if you vote liberal or democrat...you are
voting for sin and more sin plus killing human babies....of course
there is a plus side of the equation....most suicides are committed
from that liberal democrat sleeze and sex business side which relieves
society of their input and enfluence to the children.....z

[DekaNttuB]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Jenny6833A

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.
It has to be a practice much less common than that one is before it is
"perverted".

I'm sure not disagreeing with your views overall, but I'm wondering if
you really mean what you said there.
Are you really saying that any act that's highly unusual is perverted?

No.
In order to be perverted it must be highly unusual, but the converse
does not follow.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Lobotomize Hillary - Now there's a health plan.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

No, in order to be perverted it has to subvert the natural order or be
unhealthy to the people involved or the general society.
I guess in some ways you could say a three way with two women and one
male isn't perverted because I am sure in caveman times that's how the
dominate male did things and it does spread the sperm so from a
biological perspective that is the goal of every male (male not only
being human). But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight. But we have something
called civilization and that depends on a strong family structure.
From a biological sense I guess there's little problem with a male
having sex with a woman and then just leaving her in the lurch and not
deal with her again while she raises the child, but such a behavior
besides just being cruel on the woman fails to develop this important
social structure. And even in these days where sex doesn't have to
equal pregnancy besides being disrespectful to women it is not healthy
for a person in a social sense.  Julie's husband eventually realized
this and couldn't handle any more the competition Rich was to him.
But of course it was too late for his relationship with his wife.
So yeah, this perverts the roles that society depends upon to be
strong.  Humans are not beasts in the sense that we have self control.
If we didn't then there would be nothing wrong with physically harming
people and even killing them if they mess with their females because
that is what animals do.  Until of course they have impregnate the
female and then in most cases they just abandon her.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Wrong!!!!

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna
No, in order to be perverted it has to subvert the natural order or be
unhealthy to the people involved or the general society.

1. You clearly don't know anything about "the natural order."
2. You clearly are unqualified to comment on what is "healthy" to the
general society.

Post by Anna
I guess in some ways you could say a three way with two women and one
male isn't perverted because I am sure in caveman times that's how the
dominate male did things and it does spread the sperm so from a
biological perspective that is the goal of every male (male not only
being human).

You really are a man, aren't you, rationalizing a man doing it with
multiple women.

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

Post by Anna
But we have something
called civilization and that depends on a strong family structure.

Actually, that's a small portion of what civilization requires.

<snip irrelevancy about child-rearing>

Post by Anna
 Julie's husband eventually realized
this and couldn't handle any more the competition Rich was to him.
But of course it was too late for his relationship with his wife.

Their marriage was clearly doomed before this happened. You cannot
blame it on the threesome. Tons of people enjoy all sorts of "deviant"
sexual pursuits and live happy married lives.

And guess what: You may see them at a nudist resort and never know.

<snip more ignorant blather about society>

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female, but yeah, biologically no male (and I am not talking
about only humans here) wouldn't want another male's "junk" being
mixed up with his action. After all that's just competition for his
sperm. And the goal of a male (biologically talking here like in
caveman times when humans gave into their instincts like all other
animals) is for him to spread his seed as far and wide as possible.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

*snicker*

Of course you are, dude.

Post by Anna
but yeah, biologically no male (and I am not talking
about only humans here) wouldn't want another male's "junk" being

No male wouldn't want or would want?

Post by Anna
mixed up with his action.

"Biologically" no male "wouldn't want" (sic) to inhale harmful smoke
through a paper tube or work in an office.

Post by Anna
After all that's just competition for his
sperm. And the goal of a male (biologically talking here like in
caveman times when humans gave into their instincts like all other
animals) is for him to spread his seed as far and wide as possible.

Yeah, but the success of the human race has provided us with leisure
time and big brains. The result? All sorts of interesting notions:
religion, politics, the entertainment industry, fashion, banks...

And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat. (I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed. I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

*snicker*
Of course you are, dude.

Post by Anna
but yeah, biologically no male (and I am not talking
about only humans here) wouldn't want another male's "junk" being

No male wouldn't want or would want?

Yeah sorry that wasn't clear.

Biologically no male would want his sperm to have to compete with
another males sperm so if another male (and I am not talking only
humans here) tried to get into the "action" there would be fighting
until one male shows dominance over the other and the weak one runs
away (or is badly injured or even killed in the fight).

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

*snicker*
Of course you are, dude.

Post by Anna
but yeah, biologically no male (and I am not talking
about only humans here) wouldn't want another male's "junk" being

No male wouldn't want or would want?

Post by Anna
mixed up with his action.

"Biologically" no male "wouldn't want" (sic) to inhale harmful smoke
through a paper tube or work in an office.

Post by Anna
After all that's just competition for his
sperm. And the goal of a male (biologically talking here like in
caveman times when humans gave into their instincts like all other
animals) is for him to spread his seed as far and wide as possible.

Yeah, but the success of the human race has provided us with leisure
religion, politics, the entertainment industry, fashion, banks...

Humans are not merely beasts. Yeah, that's my point.

Post by James Dale Guckert
And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

Because of the social responsibilities of impregnation.

Post by James Dale Guckert
You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat.

Still socially or should I say psychologically it is a threat to the
Man's ego. Beasts don't have egos.

Post by James Dale Guckert
(I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed.

Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed. Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

Post by James Dale Guckert
I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

When it comes to propagation every ape for himself (or early humans).

[Anna]

Post by Anna
Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.  Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

Well I should say Most of us don't. There are of course some who do.
We call them PERVERTS. Perhaps not for perverting the natural order
but for perverting the necessary social order.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Anna
Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.  Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

Well I should say Most of us don't. There are of course some who do.
We call them PERVERTS. Perhaps not for perverting the natural order
but for perverting the necessary social order.

wow....so instead of arguing among yourselves endlessly.....and
rebelling against God....i gotta tell ya.....God must have already
spent a lot of time figuring it all our about social and natural
order....and even translates to his order....and there it is ....a
guide already tried and tested and nothing is left out....just start
reading at the first and do not hop skip and jump aroung trying to
beat the system and then you dont have to argue anymore....its already
written down in plain language....enjoy.....z

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Anna
Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.  Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

Well I should say Most of us don't. There are of course some who do.
We call them PERVERTS. Perhaps not for perverting the natural order
but for perverting the necessary social order.

wow....so instead of arguing among yourselves endlessly.....and
rebelling against God....i gotta tell ya.....God must have already
spent a lot of time figuring it all our about social and natural
order....

Unfortunately some people here don't believe in God. Understandable if
they don't want to have any moral controls on their behaviors. If
there's no God they get to make up the rules for themselves.

When people get to make up their own morality then anything goes. A
Sister/Brother sexual relationship even goes because if they practice
birth control there's no physical consequence to their behavior
(though the psychological damage is enormous).

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by Anna
Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.  Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

Well I should say Most of us don't. There are of course some who do.
We call them PERVERTS. Perhaps not for perverting the natural order
but for perverting the necessary social order.

wow....so instead of arguing among yourselves endlessly.....and
rebelling against God....i gotta tell ya.....God must have already
spent a lot of time figuring it all our about social and natural
order....

Unfortunately some people here don't believe in God. Understandable if
they don't want to have any moral controls on their behaviors. If
there's no God they get to make up the rules for themselves.
When people get to make up their own morality then anything goes.  A
Sister/Brother sexual relationship even goes because if they practice
birth control there's no physical consequence to their behavior
(though the psychological damage is enormous).- Hide quoted text -
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very good Anna....i might add that words like lewdness and incest was
taken from the Bible as tribal folks and others would have never had a
reason to use a word with those meanings...so the Christian and Jewish
Bible was used to generate the laws of all nations using those
words.....and our time period is measured from the time of Christ so
as you can see Christianity is not a historical joke on planet
earth.....it would seem that nudist would refraim from having their
nudism labelled Christian nudism as it is ludicrous to try and
convince folks that the Christian Bible accepts the social exposing
of genitals to one another ...the body parts that God made clothes to
cover.....they would enjoy some respect from not attempting to push
that idea and of course young children can be enfluenced from anything
adults might do or say.....regards....z

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna
Unfortunately some people here don't believe in God.

Unfortunately, that is, for those who want to use belief in a god to
control their behavior.

Which is what gods were invented for in the first place.

Post by Anna
Understandable if
they don't want to have any moral controls on their behaviors. If
there's no God they get to make up the rules for themselves.

The "godly" make up their rules and then pretend that it came from the
god(s), and then try to force others to follow them.

Post by Anna
When people get to make up their own morality then anything goes.  A

That's exactly what has happened. People made up gods and then claimed
that said gods dictated a set of rules.

It chafes them to think that others don't accept the gods and rules
they established.

Post by Anna
Sister/Brother sexual relationship even goes because if they practice
birth control there's no physical consequence to their behavior
(though the psychological damage is enormous).

Oh, brother. You really have a fetid imagination. It may be a good
thing that you fear a punisher-deity or else you might have gay sex
with your brother, doing yourself *further* psychological damage.

JDG

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

*snicker*
Of course you are, dude.

Post by Anna
but yeah, biologically no male (and I am not talking
about only humans here) wouldn't want another male's "junk" being

No male wouldn't want or would want?

Post by Anna
mixed up with his action.

"Biologically" no male "wouldn't want" (sic) to inhale harmful smoke
through a paper tube or work in an office.

Post by Anna
After all that's just competition for his
sperm. And the goal of a male (biologically talking here like in
caveman times when humans gave into their instincts like all other
animals) is for him to spread his seed as far and wide as possible.

Yeah, but the success of the human race has provided us with leisure
religion, politics, the entertainment industry, fashion, banks...

Humans are not merely beasts. Yeah, that's my point.

No, your point was to use your own limited (and generally
oversimplified) view of the "law of the jungle" to make a fallacious
point about contemporary socio-sexual morality.

You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

Because of the social responsibilities of impregnation.

Call it what you want it. Birth control made sex more fun.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat.

Still socially or should I say psychologically it is a threat to the
Man's ego. Beasts don't have egos.

You are an idiot.

A. Beasts have egos.
B. Not all men's egos are threatened by an MFM threesome.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
(I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed.

Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.

I'm not TALKING about the jungle, you dimwit. Please read for comprehension.

Post by Anna
Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

What is this "God" of which you speak?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

When it comes to propagation every ape for himself (or early humans).

To repeat, and this should have been clear many paragraphs ago: I'm not
TALKING about the jungle. I'm referring to contemporary big-brained
human society, where sexuality is not necessarily bound up with
reproductive drives in the same way it used to be.

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert
You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

No, no I am not. It still makes sense biologically. But humans have
moved beyond their genes (although some will say we haven't) and
socially and for one's own ego and personally it's very harmful.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

Because of the social responsibilities of impregnation.

Call it what you want it. Birth control made sex more fun.

Not really. For the Male there's no difference between sex with birth
control and sex without. Now for the female there certainly. But if
you remove from the male the social, personal, legal, and financial
responsibilities of fathering a child then the male can just leave the
female pregnant and go on to their next woman to impregnate.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.

We are more than our genes. We can control our biological impulses.
That is why even if some people do have a birth defeat making them
more prone to being homosexual, even if they have a "gay gene", it may
be an explanation but it's no excuse for their behavior.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat.

Still socially or should I say psychologically it is a threat to the
Man's ego. Beasts don't have egos.

You are an idiot.
A. Beasts have egos.
B. Not all men's egos are threatened by an MFM threesome.

A. Animals just act out of instinct.
B. Deep down, even if the male thinks he can handle it, just like
Julie's Husband (for whom the threesome was his idea) he realized over
time he couldn't.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
(I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed.

Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.

I'm not TALKING about the jungle, you dimwit. Please read for comprehension.

Well even if you talk about socially through out history women were
considered the property of men. Heck, in many parts of the world
especially Islamic countries this is still the case.

Not saying it's right. It's not. But right and wrong is a moral
concept. Wow. morality does come into play!

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
 Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

What is this "God" of which you speak?

You can thank whoever you want.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

When it comes to propagation every ape for himself (or early humans).

To repeat, and this should have been clear many paragraphs ago: I'm not
TALKING about the jungle. I'm referring to contemporary big-brained
human society, where sexuality is not necessarily bound up with
reproductive drives in the same way it used to be.

But you still have societal and personal considerations. Animals do
not have "right or wrong". For them it's merely instinct. Humans on
the other hand do have what we call MORALITY!


Here's the link to the program we are discussing here.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

You can leave comments about the program at the blog below but
warning, the blog itself is very sexual.

http://www.mynakedtruth.tv/2009/02/my-naked-truth-julie-and-rich-part...

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

No, no I am not. It still makes sense biologically. But humans have
moved beyond their genes (although some will say we haven't) and
socially and for one's own ego and personally it's very harmful.

Sorry, I answered the question wrong. It makes sense biologically for
males to want to have a FMF threesome but not a FMM threesome. While a
FMF threesome is a perversion only socially and psychologically
especially to the woman, a FMM threesome is a perversion BOTH
biologically and societally and personality wise.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

No, no I am not. It still makes sense biologically. But humans have
moved beyond their genes (although some will say we haven't) and
socially and for one's own ego and personally it's very harmful.

Sorry, I answered the question wrong. It makes sense biologically for
males to want to have a FMF threesome but not a FMM threesome. While a
FMF threesome is a perversion only socially and psychologically
especially to the woman, a FMM threesome is a perversion BOTH
biologically and societally  and personality wise.

You know nothing about anything related to the above, so none of your
judgments are of any value.

How can I say this? Well, for starters, your one "source" was a sitcom
you accidentally found yourself watching.

That's not exactly what one would call rigor.

Funny thing is, you apparently don't care. You just expect that people
who read your stuff will have the same gut reactions to the stuff you
run across and resort to name-calling when they don't.

That's not exactly what one would call reason, or even sensible.

JDG

[Fred]

Post by James Dale Guckert
That's not exactly what one would call reason, or even sensible.

Yet you seem to read, analyze and reply to everything she posts.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Fred

Post by James Dale Guckert
That's not exactly what one would call reason, or even sensible.

Yet you seem to read, analyze and reply to everything she posts.

What I "seem" to do to (to you) is not what I actually do. I respond
to a fairly small fraction of his posts.

JDG

[Fred]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Fred

Post by James Dale Guckert
That's not exactly what one would call reason, or even sensible.

Yet you seem to read, analyze and reply to everything she posts.

What I "seem" to do to (to you) is not what I actually do. I respond
to a fairly small fraction of his posts.

But do you read them all?

She's in my killfile, so the only stuff of hers I see is when people
like you reply to her posts.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

No, no I am not. It still makes sense biologically. But humans have
moved beyond their genes (although some will say we haven't) and
socially and for one's own ego and personally it's very harmful.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

Because of the social responsibilities of impregnation.

Call it what you want it. Birth control made sex more fun.

Not really. For the Male there's no difference between sex with birth
control and sex without. Now for the female there certainly. But if
you remove from the male the social, personal, legal, and financial
responsibilities of fathering a child then the male can just leave the
female pregnant and go on to their next woman to impregnate.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.

We are more than our genes. We can control our biological impulses.
That is why even if some people do have a birth defeat making them
more prone to being homosexual, even if they have a "gay gene", it may
be an explanation but it's no excuse for their behavior.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat.

Still socially or should I say psychologically it is a threat to the
Man's ego. Beasts don't have egos.

You are an idiot.
A. Beasts have egos.
B. Not all men's egos are threatened by an MFM threesome.

A.  Animals just act out of instinct.
B.  Deep down, even if the male thinks he can handle it, just like
Julie's Husband (for whom the threesome was his idea) he realized over
time he couldn't.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
(I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed.

Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.

I'm not TALKING about the jungle, you dimwit. Please read for comprehension.

Well even if you talk about socially through out history women were
considered the property of men. Heck, in many parts of the world
especially Islamic countries this is still the case.

What's your point?

Post by Anna
Not saying it's right. It's not. But right and wrong is a moral
concept. Wow. morality does come into play!

Don't point your morality at me.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
 Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

What is this "God" of which you speak?

You can thank whoever you want.

Gee, how generous of you.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

When it comes to propagation every ape for himself (or early humans).

To repeat, and this should have been clear many paragraphs ago: I'm not
TALKING about the jungle. I'm referring to contemporary big-brained
human society, where sexuality is not necessarily bound up with
reproductive drives in the same way it used to be.

But you still have societal  and personal considerations. Animals do
not have "right or wrong". For them it's merely instinct. Humans on
the other hand do have what we call MORALITY!

Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Post by Anna
Here's the link to the program we are discussing here.

<snip>

The program isn't what's at issue. Your feverish imagination and knee-
jerk judgment IS.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You wanted to argue that a threesome involving two men and one woman was
somehow "against nature." Now you're pulling away from that? Is a
threesome with two women still biologically kosher?

No, no I am not. It still makes sense biologically. But humans have
moved beyond their genes (although some will say we haven't) and
socially and for one's own ego and personally it's very harmful.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
And birth control, borne out of the desire *NOT* to impregnate
someone.

Because of the social responsibilities of impregnation.

Call it what you want it. Birth control made sex more fun.

Not really. For the Male there's no difference between sex with birth
control and sex without. Now for the female there certainly. But if
you remove from the male the social, personal, legal, and financial
responsibilities of fathering a child then the male can just leave the
female pregnant and go on to their next woman to impregnate.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You see where biological impulses have taken a back seat in some ways.

We are more than our genes. We can control our biological impulses.
That is why even if some people do have a birth defeat making them
more prone to being homosexual, even if they have a "gay gene", it may
be an explanation but it's no excuse for their behavior.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
A man "sharing" his female companion sexually is no longer a
reproductive threat.

Still socially or should I say psychologically it is a threat to the
Man's ego. Beasts don't have egos.

You are an idiot.
A. Beasts have egos.
B. Not all men's egos are threatened by an MFM threesome.

A.  Animals just act out of instinct.
B.  Deep down, even if the male thinks he can handle it, just like
Julie's Husband (for whom the threesome was his idea) he realized over
time he couldn't.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
(I put that in quotation marks because in such
cases the female companion is not property to be possessed.

Sorry, in the jungle the female companion is something to be
possessed.

I'm not TALKING about the jungle, you dimwit. Please read for comprehension.

Well even if you talk about socially through out history women were
considered the property of men. Heck, in many parts of the world
especially Islamic countries this is still the case.

What's your point?

Post by Anna
Not saying it's right. It's not. But right and wrong is a moral
concept. Wow. morality does come into play!

Don't point your morality at me.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
 Thank God we have developed socially beyond such that. We
no longer behave like animals.

What is this "God" of which you speak?

You can thank whoever you want.

Gee, how generous of you.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
I'm
talking about collective consent among equals for a common goal.

When it comes to propagation every ape for himself (or early humans).

To repeat, and this should have been clear many paragraphs ago: I'm not
TALKING about the jungle. I'm referring to contemporary big-brained
human society, where sexuality is not necessarily bound up with
reproductive drives in the same way it used to be.

But you still have societal  and personal considerations. Animals do
not have "right or wrong". For them it's merely instinct. Humans on
the other hand do have what we call MORALITY!

Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

Murder by the way is a moral determination. Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is. In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

I personally am glad we have something called morality.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

You don't get it. I don't need YOUR morality to condemn repugnant
attitudes, even if you claim that said morality comes from a god of
some sort.

Post by Anna
I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

It is what it is.

Post by Anna
Murder by the way is a moral determination.

No, that's a legal term.

Post by Anna
Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is.  In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna
I personally am glad we have something called morality.

Fine. Just don't point that thing at me.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

You don't get it. I don't need YOUR morality to condemn repugnant
attitudes, even if you claim that said morality comes from a god of
some sort.

Post by Anna
I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

It is what it is.

Post by Anna
Murder by the way is a moral determination.

No, that's a legal term.

Post by Anna
Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is.  In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna
I personally am glad we have something called morality.

Fine. Just don't point that thing at me.
JDG

Without morality everything falls apart and we are back to the law of
the jungle.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

You don't get it. I don't need YOUR morality to condemn repugnant
attitudes, even if you claim that said morality comes from a god of
some sort.

Post by Anna
I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

It is what it is.

Post by Anna
Murder by the way is a moral determination.

No, that's a legal term.

Post by Anna
Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is.  In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna
I personally am glad we have something called morality.

Fine. Just don't point that thing at me.

Without morality everything falls apart and we are back to the law of
the jungle.

I question your understanding of the concept of morality.
I question your understanding of the concept of the law of the jungle.

Therefore, your last statement has no resonance.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

You don't get it. I don't need YOUR morality to condemn repugnant
attitudes, even if you claim that said morality comes from a god of
some sort.

Post by Anna
I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

It is what it is.

Post by Anna
Murder by the way is a moral determination.

No, that's a legal term.

Post by Anna
Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is.  In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna
I personally am glad we have something called morality.

Fine. Just don't point that thing at me.

Without morality everything falls apart and we are back to the law of
the jungle.

I question your understanding of the concept of morality.
I question your understanding of the concept of the law of the jungle.
Therefore, your last statement has no resonance.
JDG

I question your understanding of the importance of morality.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Again. Point your morality elsewhere.

Then don't condemn those men who treat women as property.

You don't get it. I don't need YOUR morality to condemn repugnant
attitudes, even if you claim that said morality comes from a god of
some sort.

Post by Anna
I however will condemn them. But agreed it is a moral determination on
my part.

It is what it is.

Post by Anna
Murder by the way is a moral determination.

No, that's a legal term.

Post by Anna
Again law of the jungle,
if one animal kills another then that's just how it is.  In fact if it
was a male killing another male that's actually good for the gene pool
because the stronger one lives on to spread his seed.

Fascinating. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

Post by Anna
I personally am glad we have something called morality.

Fine. Just don't point that thing at me.

Without morality everything falls apart and we are back to the law of
the jungle.

I question your understanding of the concept of morality.
I question your understanding of the concept of the law of the jungle.
Therefore, your last statement has no resonance.

I question your understanding of the importance of morality.

You don't eve understand what I'm saying about it, so I'm not
surprised.

JDG

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

I don't believe you.

You have always sounded much more male than female in your postings.

And some of the things you have been saying in this thread are just
extremely unlikely to be said by a female.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
But back in caveman times if another male tried to get
into the action the two would have a fight.

And here you show your fear of another man's junk being mixed up into
your "action."

I am a female,

I don't believe you.
You have always sounded much more male than female in your postings.

Well despite you not believing me I am indeed a female.

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert
And guess what: You may see them at a nudist resort and never know.

It seems like such people freely talk about such things and see nudist
resorts as a place to "recruit" just like Julie's Husband did when he
recruited Rich.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
And guess what: You may see them at a nudist resort and never know.

It seems like such people freely talk about such things and see nudist
resorts as a place to "recruit"

Or that's just your feverish imagination piling up on its own feverish
speculation.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.

Would you prefer mentally and emotionally, and socially sick? Would
that be more accurate?

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.

Would you prefer mentally and emotionally, and socially sick? Would
that be more accurate?

How about just plain sleazy?

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.

Would you prefer mentally and emotionally, and socially sick? Would
that be more accurate?

How about just plain sleazy?

I'll give you that one :)

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

A three way isn't perverted?

Not really, no.

Would you prefer mentally and emotionally, and socially sick? Would
that be more accurate?

No.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

They met at Lupin Lodge.

Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

Julie's husband goes up to Rich and says " I see that you are enamored
by my wife. Instead of punching you in the face like any real husband
would do why don't you just go have sex with her. I have always
wanted to watch some male have sex with my wife, and heck, we can both
have sex with her".

Rich goes "okay".

I mean first what kind of man does this? I can understand why he might
want to do a three way with another woman (though it would still be
wrong - very wrong) but a man? Well in the end of course he regretted
doing that (duh,guy what were you thinking) and told Julie to make a
choice. I wonder if he was surprised that she choose the guy who
DIDN'T suggest that his wife have sex with another woman.

But more generally for the nudist environment. You are by the pool,
simply enjoying the sun or swimming and you have to hear such dialogue
going on! Look I do believe that most nudists are just normal people
outside the fact they like to get socially nude, but nude also
attracts more than its share of the lewd so they need to consider if
they want to be around such people of low moral character, especially
if they take their children.

Wasn't Lupin Lodge the place they were planning all that BDSM
activity? And Rich owns a place at Caliente. Why doesn't that
surprise me.

And they have the nerve to call themselves Christian.


Here's the link to the program.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

[DekaNttuB]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

They met at Lupin Lodge.
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?
Julie's husband goes up to Rich and says " I see that you are enamored
by my wife. Instead of punching you in the face like any real husband
would do why don't you just go have sex with her.  I have always
wanted to watch some male have sex with my wife, and heck, we can both
have sex with her".
Rich goes "okay".
I mean first what kind of man does this? I can understand why he might
want to do a three way with another woman (though it would still be
wrong - very wrong) but a man?  Well in the end of course he regretted
doing that (duh,guy what were you thinking) and told Julie to make a
choice. I wonder if he was surprised that she choose the guy who
DIDN'T suggest that his wife have sex with another woman.
But more generally for the nudist environment.  You are by the pool,
simply enjoying the sun or swimming and you have to hear such dialogue
going on!  Look I do believe that most nudists are just normal people
outside the fact they like to get socially nude, but nude also
attracts more than its share of the lewd so they need to consider if
they want to be around such people of low moral character, especially
if they take their children.
Wasn't Lupin Lodge the place they were planning all that BDSM
activity?  And Rich owns a place at Caliente. Why doesn't that
surprise me.
And they have the nerve to call themselves Christian.
Here's the link to the program.
http://blip.tv/file/1675578/
or
http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

I believe you are a sex obsessed idiot.

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

They met at Lupin Lodge.
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?
Julie's husband goes up to Rich and says " I see that you are enamored
by my wife. Instead of punching you in the face like any real husband
would do why don't you just go have sex with her.  I have always
wanted to watch some male have sex with my wife, and heck, we can both
have sex with her".
Rich goes "okay".
I mean first what kind of man does this? I can understand why he might
want to do a three way with another woman (though it would still be
wrong - very wrong) but a man?  Well in the end of course he regretted
doing that (duh,guy what were you thinking) and told Julie to make a
choice. I wonder if he was surprised that she choose the guy who
DIDN'T suggest that his wife have sex with another woman.

Sorry, mistyped that. Her Husband suggested that his wife has sex
with another Man, not woman. That man of course was Rich who he did a
three way with.

Yeah, pretty sick, I know. Here's the interview.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

They met at Lupin Lodge.

Ooh, kinky.

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

<snip "Anna's" dirty fantasy>

If you say, so, Mr. Dirty Mind.

Post by Anna
But more generally for the nudist environment.  You are by the pool,
simply enjoying the sun or swimming and you have to hear such dialogue
going on!

In your dirty mind, of course. You have no idea what really happened,
where the idea was broached.

Post by Anna
 Look I do believe that most nudists are just normal people
outside the fact they like to get socially nude, but nude also
attracts more than its share of the lewd so they need to consider if
they want to be around such people of low moral character, especially
if they take their children.

Looks like your own character is questionable... what with these
fantasies you are sharing with the rest of us. (Good thing you aren't
a social nudist.)

Post by Anna
Wasn't Lupin Lodge the place they were planning all that BDSM
activity?  And Rich owns a place at Caliente. Why doesn't that
surprise me.

With your overheated imagination, nothing seems to surprise you.

Post by Anna
And they have the nerve to call themselves Christian.

And you have the nerve to challenge that.

JDG

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney
While it had little to do with naturism, why do you believe there was
anything "perverted" involved?

They met at Lupin Lodge.
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.

But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

Post by Anna
But more generally for the nudist environment. You are by the pool,
simply enjoying the sun or swimming and you have to hear such dialogue
going on!

It is not at all likely that anybody did hear such dialogue going on.

I would be very surprised if they were anything like that indiscreet
about it.

As you suggested in a previous post, it is certainly something
generally thought of as "sleazy", and even if 15% of people have
indulged at some time, that still leaves 85% who haven't, many of whom
would object to such tings being discussed openly.

Post by Anna
Look I do believe that most nudists are just normal people
outside the fact they like to get socially nude, but nude also
attracts more than its share of the lewd so they need to consider if
they want to be around such people of low moral character, especially
if they take their children.

Unless these people of "such moral character" are going to be trying
to "convert"others, it really doesn't matter.

What they do *in private* is their own business, so long as it is
legal.

If they start doing it in public, or even discussing it explicitly in
public, that is another matter entirely.

You may well be right that naturism attracts a higher proportion of
people with unusual sexual preferences than the proportion in the
general population, but it is almost impossible to get any meaningful
statistics on that.

And again, so long as it is kept private, it doesn't matter.

Post by Anna
Wasn't Lupin Lodge the place they were planning all that BDSM
activity? And Rich owns a place at Caliente. Why doesn't that
surprise me.

I have no idea. I don't take a string interest in American naturist
issues, since I have very rarely even visited the USA.

I have only been responding to your posts because I see them in
uk.rec.naturist.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.

Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

(Julie's Husband) Hey, I see that you are looking at my wife!

(Rich Lying) I didn't mean anything by it!

(Julie's Husband) That's too bad. I was wondering if you wanted to
have sex with her?

(Rich) You are offering to allow me to have sex with your wife?

(Julie's Husband) Oh, I will have sex with her too, you know a three-
way. You are into that stuff aren't you?

(Rich, his Penis getting stiffer) Well, I could be. Yeah, I have no
problem with that.

(Julie's Husband) Good, before you go I will give you our phone number
and we can make arrangements, okay?

(Rich) Great, I will be looking forward to it.

All along there's children around the pool overhearing this stuff as
well as adults who just don't want to be surrounded by such sleaze. It
totally ruins the nudist atmosphere at the club (if Lupin Lodge even
has a nudist atmosphere to begin with).

(A person trying out nudism for the first time to her husband). Gosh,
did you hear that. I was worried that nudists were a bunch of sexual
freaks but they assured me when I called that they were just a bunch
of normal people whose only difference was that they like to go around
nude. They said you would find a nonsexualized atmosphere around
here. They lied. They are a bunch of sex pervs. Let's go. I am never
going to try nudism again!.


Here's the link to the program.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

You can leave comments about the program at the blog below but again,
warning, the blog itself is very sexual.

http://www.mynakedtruth.tv/2009/02/my-naked-truth-julie-and-rich-part...

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>

You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.

Also: You really are a hypocrite.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live. I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.

But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!

And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about. If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.

Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised. They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.

If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

[Anna]

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age. I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it. Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there. The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.

Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly. It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to. If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

you are genuine with your consistent thoughts on this matter....and i
can say you are truly a first for me as nudist do not ever get to meet
lone nudist as lone nudist do not tell anyone other than over the
internet anon of course.....so i am sure you do not have interest at
going social with your nudity as you know that lewdness is likely to
occur anywhere you might go and you are totally correct.....having
said this it is proper and logical for honest folks to label all in a
group as being equally lewd or immoral as it is proper to judge one by
the company they keep and that is why you really have good reason not
to participate....hang in there girl and stay as your are.....z

[Nudiarist]

Post by Anna

Post by Zee

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. The things we do and
make are imperfect. Deal with it, that's reality. Searching for some
sort of "Utopia" in a world full of flaws is a fool's mission.

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Anna]

Post by Nudiarist
The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?
The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. The things we do and
make are imperfect. Deal with it, that's reality. Searching for some
sort of "Utopia" in a world full of flaws is a fool's mission.

Exactly, So what "sounds good on paper" might not work in real life.

Nudism "sounds good on paper" even though it is very, very close to
the line.

But in reality? Too much room for abuse. While I am sure that most
nudists can practice it safely, it just takes a few to ruin it for the
rest and like you said there is no Utopia so inevitably it will be
ruined and be harmful.

Nude is not lewd. Nudism in and of itself isn't lewd. But Nude
attracts lewd and because of that any nude environment ultimately
becomes lewd and unsafe.

[Zee]

Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?
The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. The things we do and
make are imperfect. Deal with it, that's reality. Searching for some
sort of "Utopia" in a world full of flaws is a fool's mission.

Exactly, So what "sounds good on paper" might not work in real life.
Nudism "sounds good on paper" even though it is very, very close to
the line.
But in reality?  Too much room for abuse. While I am sure that most
nudists can practice it safely, it just takes a few to ruin it for the
rest and like you said there is no Utopia so inevitably it will be
ruined and be harmful.
Nude is not lewd. Nudism in and of itself isn't lewd. But Nude
attracts lewd and because of that any nude environment ultimately
becomes lewd and unsafe.

Anna....you are on a roll...but i have a suggestion that would sharpen
your presentation...do not say that nudism or nudity in itself is not
lewd....please say it like this.....to me and some nudist we believe
blah blah blah...but there is others nudist included that see nudity
in itself as provocative and lewd...and they are folks just as smart
as the ones that believe otherwise...Anna in all sincerity the reason
for this is if children or young adults are reading your post they
could think they are not right and it could cause emotional trauma for
them so explain it when making those assertions..as it will allow
those children and young adults to feel ok with their
beliefs....failure to do so labels you along side the worst of the
perverts to these children and young adults....regards.....z

[Anna]

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Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?
The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. The things we do and
make are imperfect. Deal with it, that's reality. Searching for some
sort of "Utopia" in a world full of flaws is a fool's mission.

Exactly, So what "sounds good on paper" might not work in real life.
Nudism "sounds good on paper" even though it is very, very close to
the line.
But in reality?  Too much room for abuse. While I am sure that most
nudists can practice it safely, it just takes a few to ruin it for the
rest and like you said there is no Utopia so inevitably it will be
ruined and be harmful.
Nude is not lewd. Nudism in and of itself isn't lewd. But Nude
attracts lewd and because of that any nude environment ultimately
becomes lewd and unsafe.

Anna....you are on a roll...but i have a suggestion that would sharpen
your presentation...do not say that nudism or nudity in itself is not
lewd....please say it like this.....to me and some nudist we believe
blah blah blah...but there is others nudist included that see nudity
in itself as provocative and lewd...and they are folks just as smart
as the ones that believe otherwise...Anna in all sincerity the reason
for this is if children or young adults are reading your post they
could think they are not right and it could cause emotional trauma for
them so explain it when making those assertions..as it will allow
those children and young adults to feel ok with their
beliefs....failure to do so labels you along side the worst of the
perverts to these children and young adults....regards.....z

See this is where we disagree. I don't see nudism as being lewd in and
of itself. If it could be practiced in perfect love and perfect trust,
then I don't think just walking around naked is and of itself a lewd
act. Now, I must qualify that statement. I do wonder if nudists who do
parade around textiles (and yes I use the word "parade" because I am
talking about in parades such as the Fremont Fair Parade in Seattle,
the Bay to Breakers Fun Run in San Francisco, and the World Naked Bike
Ride, and even this "Pumpkin Run" in Seattle and I guess it used to
happen in Boulder Colorado before they cracked down on it) do so for
lewd reasons. After all what's the joy in going around on display
walking by or biking by a bunch of clothed people many of who get
angry and many of who get insulting. Sounds like exhibitionism to me.

[Zee]

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Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?
The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. The things we do and
make are imperfect. Deal with it, that's reality. Searching for some
sort of "Utopia" in a world full of flaws is a fool's mission.

Exactly, So what "sounds good on paper" might not work in real life.
Nudism "sounds good on paper" even though it is very, very close to
the line.
But in reality?  Too much room for abuse. While I am sure that most
nudists can practice it safely, it just takes a few to ruin it for the
rest and like you said there is no Utopia so inevitably it will be
ruined and be harmful.
Nude is not lewd. Nudism in and of itself isn't lewd. But Nude
attracts lewd and because of that any nude environment ultimately
becomes lewd and unsafe.

Anna....you are on a roll...but i have a suggestion that would sharpen
your presentation...do not say that nudism or nudity in itself is not
lewd....please say it like this.....to me and some nudist we believe
blah blah blah...but there is others nudist included that see nudity
in itself as provocative and lewd...and they are folks just as smart
as the ones that believe otherwise...Anna in all sincerity the reason
for this is if children or young adults are reading your post they
could think they are not right and it could cause emotional trauma for
them so explain it when making those assertions..as it will allow
those children and young adults to feel ok with their
beliefs....failure to do so labels you along side the worst of the
perverts to these children and young adults....regards.....z

See this is where we disagree. I don't see nudism as being lewd in and
of itself. If it could be practiced in perfect love and perfect trust,
then I don't think just walking around naked is and of itself a lewd
act. Now, I must qualify that statement. I do wonder if nudists who do
parade around textiles (and yes I use the word "parade" because I am
talking about in parades such as the Fremont Fair Parade in Seattle,
the Bay to Breakers Fun Run in San Francisco, and the World Naked Bike
Ride, and even this "Pumpkin Run" in Seattle and I guess it used to
happen in Boulder Colorado before they cracked down on it) do so for
lewd reasons. After all what's the joy in going around on display
walking by or biking by a bunch of clothed people many of who get
angry and many of who get insulting.  Sounds like exhibitionism to me.- Hide quoted text -
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Anna..i did note that you felt that just plain nudity is not lewd or
promiscuous.....that is a given....but reread my post and see where
you making this statement would let a child or young adult think that
you as an avid poster and knowledgeable is speaking for
everyone....Anna i think in my opinion that 75 percent of the worlds
population believe that folks just walking and talking nude to other
that are nude is lewd and promiscuous...and i have noted little boys
that would stand and look at a naked girl or woman doing the same and
have an erection......so see you seem to be totally inconsiderate of
the children and young folks...why is that when your belief is
actually a minority belief....and i always help protect your right to
believe that so in appreciation for a free society that helps folks be
free to state a non popular with the majority belief....i would think
you would explain that it is a personal belief and that others have
the right to believe differently.....i will help you correct this
behavior of yours if you wish by reminding you and all others when you
violate this inconsiderate act toward children and young
adults.....and i am sure that you will appreciate my efforts.....what
part of this post do you not understand.....z

[Anna]

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Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safely.
While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude also
attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.

[Nudiarist]

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Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safely.
While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude also
attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.

Completely absurd conclusion, based upon your own inner demons, and
having nothing to do with reality. Since nudism was founded in
Germany, as a means of rediscovering man's relationship to nature in
an increasingly industrialized world, literally millions of people
have practiced nude recreation in a healthy and safe manner. Clothes-
Free vacationing is one of the fastest growing segment of the travel
industry. It's far, far more dangerous to get into your car and go to
the grocery store. With every paranoid post you reveal more about how
psychotic and socially infantile you really are.

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Anna]

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Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safely.
While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude also
attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.

Completely absurd conclusion, based upon your own inner demons, and
having nothing to do with reality. Since nudism was founded in
Germany, as a means of rediscovering man's relationship to nature in
an increasingly industrialized world, literally millions of people
have practiced nude recreation in a healthy and safe manner. Clothes-
Free vacationing is one of the fastest growing segment of the travel
industry. It's far, far more dangerous to get into your car and go to
the grocery store. With every paranoid post you reveal more about how
psychotic and socially infantile you really are.
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

You even admitted that you have run into "Swingers" (for the lack of a
better word) while practicing nudism.

And most nudist resorts have sometime in the past, it might have been
20 or 30 years ago but sometime in their past a situation of
molestation.

I have never said that nudists by and large aren't good people. In
fact I have said the exact opposite. But nude does also attract the
lewd and while they may be a minority, they push nudism which is very,
very close to the line, over the line.

Nudism has to be practiced carefully. And as you said yourself there
is no Utopia.

[Nudiarist]

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Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
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Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safely.
While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude also
attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.

Completely absurd conclusion, based upon your own inner demons, and
having nothing to do with reality. Since nudism was founded in
Germany, as a means of rediscovering man's relationship to nature in
an increasingly industrialized world, literally millions of people
have practiced nude recreation in a healthy and safe manner. Clothes-
Free vacationing is one of the fastest growing segment of the travel
industry. It's far, far more dangerous to get into your car and go to
the grocery store. With every paranoid post you reveal more about how
psychotic and socially infantile you really are.
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

You even admitted that you have run into "Swingers" (for the lack of a
better word) while practicing nudism.
And most nudist resorts have sometime in the past, it might have been
20 or 30 years ago but sometime in their past a situation of
molestation.
I have never said that nudists by and large aren't good people. In
fact I have said the exact opposite. But nude does also attract the
lewd and while they may be a minority, they push nudism which is very,
very close to the line, over the line.
Nudism has to be practiced carefully. And as you said yourself there
is no Utopia.

Yes, and I've been sexually propositioned by a next-door neighbor's
wife when I was 15, a Catholic priest when I was 18, my girlfriend's
roommate when I was 22, my friend's wife when I was 24, etc. If you
are looking for a place on earth to escape all the "dangers" of human
sexuality, then put yourself in a grave.

The only "line" here is in your warped imagination.

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Zee]

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Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.

<cut to porn soundtrack>
You really do have a dirty mind and a hyperactive imagination.
Also: You really are a hypocrite.
JDG

Look, I might find them as being perverts, I might consider them
sleazy but if they don't hurt an unconsenting person and they don't
involved minors then live and let live.  I even want them to have
places to practice their perversions.
But, I am not going to be all political correct and not call them what
I consider them as being - perverts and sleazy!
And, at a nudist resort they are hurting unconsenting people by the
atmosphere they create there. And they would be involving children if
there are any children there who can hear what they are talking
about.  If they can't behave themselves so people are not aware of
their lifestyle (though I would think they couldn't help at least
giving off a sleazy vibe) then they have no place at a nudist venue.
Most people who go to nudist venues what to practice nudism as
advertised.  They don't want to be around a bunch of people who
practice group sex, or swinging, or homosexuality, or BDSM, or three-
somes or the like. If they did, they would join some so called "Sex
Positive" club and practice their social nudity there. And of course
most people don't want their children around such people who feel free
to at least talk about if not solicit others into their perverted
sexual lifestyle.
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Anna...you are a good person and mean well....but since you state of
having no experience where the rubber meets the road....actual time
spent at real nudist facilities....would you not feel wierd or
frustrated or embarrassed or depressed at spending time with a bunch
of real nudist only to find out that they are the same as the perverts
but talk a different talk and actually carry on like the
perverts.....you could go clothed to a couple and find...wow that ol z
was right....i cannot believe my eyes that all these folks are the
same and they have been lying all these years.....sure nudist are all
different in their sexual desires just like textiles but they all have
their child unfriendly behaviors that they cannot refraim from
exhibiting in public....z

I guess when I think of nudism I think of like how skinny dipping was
back in the time where things wasn't so crowded and it was much easier
to find an isolated lake or somewhere like that and take my clothes
off and just be, without people judging if  I shouldn't be seen nude
because of my age.  I have that opportunity at my property and
certainly I would like everyone who wants such an opportunity to have
it.  Nude doesn't have to be Lewd. But it does seem that Lewd people
are attracted to wherever nudity is practiced. I certainly don't even
think they make a majority of nudists. Most nudists can't even imagine
such people and their concepts of nudity. In the end it's their
innocence that gets them as to practice nudism one has to have an
innocent mindset at least during the time they are there.  The Lewd
don't want to have such a mindset and even if they did one wonders if
that's even possible for them.
Nudism seems idyllic to me but perhaps too idyllic in a world with
imperfect people who judge if one "should be seen nude" and who looks
at nude lewdly.  It takes a lot of willpower to counteract the social
conditioning and perhaps even natural biological predisposition to see
nudity among mixed genders as anything but lewd. Some can't have that
ability or even want to develop that ability of maintaining a pure
mind. Nudism needs perfect love and perfect trust to exist and
especially the perfect trust part gives an opening to those who have a
prurient intent. Like I said, I don't think it represents most nudists
but I do think there's a significant minority that this does apply
to.  If it didn't you wouldn't have seen Paradise Lakes, Caliente and
the Four Season Nudist Park (and probably Lupin Lodge) go the way it
has.

The broken record that is "Anna" keeps harping on this "idyllic"
notion. Did you know that the word "Utopia" literally means "no
place"?

And therefore there is no place that nudism can be practiced safely.
While most nudists are just good hearted ordinary people, nude also
attracts the lewd that makes it dangerous for the rest.

Completely absurd conclusion, based upon your own inner demons, and
having nothing to do with reality. Since nudism was founded in
Germany, as a means of rediscovering man's relationship to nature in
an increasingly industrialized world, literally millions of people
have practiced nude recreation in a healthy and safe manner. Clothes-
Free vacationing is one of the fastest growing segment of the travel
industry. It's far, far more dangerous to get into your car and go to
the grocery store. With every paranoid post you reveal more about how
psychotic and socially infantile you really are.
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

You even admitted that you have run into "Swingers" (for the lack of a
better word) while practicing nudism.
And most nudist resorts have sometime in the past, it might have been
20 or 30 years ago but sometime in their past a situation of
molestation.
I have never said that nudists by and large aren't good people. In
fact I have said the exact opposite. But nude does also attract the
lewd and while they may be a minority, they push nudism which is very,
very close to the line, over the line.
Nudism has to be practiced carefully. And as you said yourself there
is no Utopia.

Yes, and I've been sexually propositioned by a next-door neighbor's
wife when I was 15, a Catholic priest when I was 18, my girlfriend's
roommate when I was 22, my friend's wife when I was 24, etc. If you
are looking for a place on earth to escape all the "dangers" of human
sexuality, then put yourself in a grave.
The only "line" here is in your warped imagination.
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
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hey asshole if you dont like the way the textiles have got everything
fixed....tell them about it....run for a political office and see how
far you get.....textiles are aware of all this filth and promiscuous
behavior....and they say we force everyone to wear clothes and cover
their nakedness and what else can we do.....but we are not going to
allow nakedness which would agravate the situation by turning folks on
sexually.....and provoke more not less sexually promiscuous
behavior.....you know you should think about hmmmm.....getting into a
sand castle construction group at the beach....and leave the dialogue
to others that have some common sense and knowledge of life where the
rubber meets the road.....if you leave now...i say good bye....z

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.

Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?
JDG

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

Here's the link to the program.

http://blip.tv/file/1675578/

or

http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

Why are so many nudists like this. Again I am not saying all, even
most, but you do see a greater concentration than you do in the
general public and they seem like they feel a lot freer about talking
about their lifestyle at a nudist venue than they would elsewhere in
general society.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"
JDG

Okay, you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.

Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits? Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc? Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations. While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences? These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"

Okay,

So you are not admitting to making up the "proposal by the pool"
scenario.

Good.

Post by Anna
you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.

That's pretty safe, assuming that there is a pool area. It might also
be a rec room, or a billiard hall, or somewhere else.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits?

It sounds to me like you're doing an awful lot of assuming, and then
concealing your assumption in a question.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Post by Anna
 Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations.  While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Post by Anna
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences?  These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

Because anything that gets you aroused is BAD.

You. Are. Too. Funny. You probably enjoy spankings and being told
you're bad.

JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"

Okay,

So you are not admitting to making up the "proposal by the pool"
scenario.
Good.

Post by Anna
you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.

That's pretty safe, assuming that there is a pool area. It might also
be a rec room, or a billiard hall, or somewhere else.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits?

It sounds to me like you're doing an awful lot of assuming, and then
concealing your assumption in a question.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Post by Anna
 Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations.  While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Still haven't answered my question.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences?  These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

Because anything that gets you aroused is BAD.

Are you saying that such talk is acceptable at a nudist venue?

Post by James Dale Guckert
You. Are. Too. Funny. You probably enjoy spankings and being told
you're bad.

And if I did, would that make me a pervert?

Yes, yes it would.

Sorry Cyndiann!

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"

Okay,

So you are not admitting to making up the "proposal by the pool"
scenario.

Typo: Replace "not" with "now."

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Good.

Post by Anna
you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.

That's pretty safe, assuming that there is a pool area. It might also
be a rec room, or a billiard hall, or somewhere else.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits?

It sounds to me like you're doing an awful lot of assuming, and then
concealing your assumption in a question.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Post by Anna
Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations. While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Still haven't answered my question.

You need to ask lots of people that question. I'm just one person.

Still, the sheer breathlessness and repetition of your question had me
wondering about where your mind is -- meaning in which gutter.

You have fantasies of naked people talking casually about group sex by a
pool.

And you think group sex is bad.

Hmmmm....

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences? These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

Because anything that gets you aroused is BAD.

Are you saying that such talk is acceptable at a nudist venue?

I've made no such statement. I'm currently intrigued by your own
internal conflict between prurient fantasy and prudish judgmentalism.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You. Are. Too. Funny. You probably enjoy spankings and being told
you're bad.

And if I did, would that make me a pervert?

Do you want me to say yes?

Post by Anna
Yes, yes it would.

You want me to say yes.

Hmmmmm.....

Post by Anna
Sorry Cyndiann!

That's not my name.

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"

Okay,

So you are not admitting to making up the "proposal by the pool"
scenario.

Typo: Replace "not" with "now."

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Good.

Post by Anna
you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.

That's pretty safe, assuming that there is a pool area. It might also
be a rec room, or a billiard hall, or somewhere else.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits?

It sounds to me like you're doing an awful lot of assuming, and then
concealing your assumption in a question.

Post by Anna
Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Post by Anna
  Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations.  While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

Are you repeating yourself because writing about these things gets you
aroused?

Still haven't answered my question.

You need to ask lots of people that question. I'm just one person.
Still, the sheer breathlessness and repetition of your question had me
wondering about where your mind is -- meaning in which gutter.
You have fantasies of naked people talking casually about group sex by a
pool.
And you think group sex is bad.
Hmmmm....

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences?  These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

Because anything that gets you aroused is BAD.

Are you saying that such talk is acceptable at a nudist venue?

I've made no such statement. I'm currently intrigued by your own
internal conflict between prurient fantasy and prudish judgmentalism.

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
You. Are. Too. Funny. You probably enjoy spankings and being told
you're bad.

And if I did, would that make me a pervert?

Do you want me to say yes?

I don't practice that behavior but those who do are indeed perverts.

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
Yes, yes it would.

You want me to say yes.

Yeah, I am glad you have some standards. BDSM is indeed a perverted
behavior and those men (and woman) who go to a dominatrix to be
spanked are absolutely mentally disturbed.

Post by James Dale Guckert
Hmmmmm.....

Post by Anna
Sorry Cyndiann!

That's not my name.

Cyndiann was a nudist dominatrix who used to post here.

Post by James Dale Guckert
--
JDG

[Anna]

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
Still haven't answered my question.

You need to ask lots of people that question. I'm just one person.

Well, it is open to anyone to answer but I did ask you.

Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits? Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc? Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations. While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?

And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences? These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

[Nudiarist]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"
JDG

Okay, you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits? Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?  Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations.  While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences?  These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

I've heard people talk about sex around the kitchen table, in the
schools I've attended since about 6th grade, at work, and most
recently at a funeral. It's patently absurd to think that healthy
human beings are not going to talk about sex wherever they congregate.

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert

Post by Anna
If these so called "sex positive" people can't hide their sexual
lifestyle, they shouldn't go to nudist venues where they really do
ruin the atmosphere for real nudists.

The key thing here is that you have imagined the scenario and then
judged the people based on your dirty imagination of what happened.
Doesn't your own sense of morality allow for withholding judgment
until the *facts* are made apparent?

They are the ones who explained the situation that led to their
relationship.

*Your* words: "Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?"
JDG

Okay, you tell me since you have gone to nudist venues. I assume that
the pool area is one of the main places that nudists socialize with
each other when they are at a nudist resort.
Are you telling me that you have never heard people talk about group
sex or threesomes or their other sexual exploits? Are you telling me
that you have never heard people asked to participate in swinging/
threesomes/group sex etc?  Surely lying in the sun or just relaxing in
the sun you overhear conversations.  While I am not saying it is the
majority of what nudist talk about when socializing but are you
telling me you have never heard such stuff talked about?
And if such talk goes on, are their any consequences?  These people
should be immediately booted and put on the list instead of just
having a general message put out that this isn't appropriate talk.

I've heard people talk about sex ... most
recently at a funeral.

That's just wrong...That's SICK!

[Alex Heney]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT), Anna <***@lycos.com>
wrote:

<snip>

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.
(Julie's Husband) Hey, I see that you are looking at my wife!
(Rich Lying) I didn't mean anything by it!
(Julie's Husband) That's too bad. I was wondering if you wanted to
have sex with her?
(Rich) You are offering to allow me to have sex with your wife?
(Julie's Husband) Oh, I will have sex with her too, you know a three-
way. You are into that stuff aren't you?
(Rich, his Penis getting stiffer) Well, I could be. Yeah, I have no
problem with that.
(Julie's Husband) Good, before you go I will give you our phone number
and we can make arrangements, okay?
(Rich) Great, I will be looking forward to it.
All along there's children around the pool overhearing this stuff as
well as adults who just don't want to be surrounded by such sleaze. It
totally ruins the nudist atmosphere at the club (if Lupin Lodge even
has a nudist atmosphere to begin with).

Your fantasies make it obvious you have never been in a situation
where there are significant numbers of people gathered (whether
naturist or otherwise).

The possibility of it occurring in the way you would like to portray
it is so miniscule it might as well be zero.


People generally (and naturist are no different to others in this
respect) JUST DON'T talk openly about matters of such privacy and
sensitivity when there are people they don't already know very
intimately within hearing.

It is actually incredibly unlikely that it would even have occurred in
anything like that sort of manner, even if there had been nobody but
the three around anyhow.

Except in "swinger" venues such as out and out sex clubs, people
generally don't start talking like that until they know each other
pretty well.

[Anna]

Post by Alex Heney
The possibility of it occurring in the way you would like to portray
it is so miniscule it might as well be zero.

So you never have heard such talk go on at nudist venues?

Post by Alex Heney
People generally (and naturist are no different to others in this
respect) JUST DON'T talk openly about matters of such privacy and
sensitivity when there are people they don't already know very
intimately within hearing.
It is actually incredibly unlikely that it would even have occurred in
anything like that sort of manner, even if there had been nobody but
the three around anyhow.

How would have Julie's Husband brought the subject up to Rich?

Post by Alex Heney
Except in "swinger" venues such as out and out sex clubs, people
generally don't start talking like that until they know each other
pretty well.

Well that's the problem isn't it? These sleazy people treat nudist
venues like they are swinger venues.

[James Dale Guckert]

Post by Anna
How would have Julie's Husband brought the subject up to Rich?

That you can think of only one scenario is revealing.

Do you pay attention to your own thought processes?

[Nudiarist]

Post by James Dale Guckert
<snip>

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.
(Julie's Husband) Hey, I see that you are looking at my wife!
(Rich Lying) I didn't mean anything by it!
(Julie's Husband) That's too bad. I was wondering if you wanted to
have sex with her?
(Rich) You are offering to allow me to have sex with your wife?
(Julie's Husband) Oh, I will have sex with her too, you know a three-
way.  You are into that stuff aren't you?
(Rich, his Penis getting stiffer) Well, I could be. Yeah, I have no
problem with that.
(Julie's Husband) Good, before you go I will give you our phone number
and we can make arrangements, okay?
(Rich) Great, I will be looking forward to it.
All along there's children around the pool overhearing this stuff as
well as adults who just don't want to be surrounded by such sleaze. It
totally ruins the nudist atmosphere at the club (if Lupin Lodge even
has a nudist atmosphere to begin with).

Your fantasies make it obvious you have never been in a situation
where there are significant numbers of people gathered (whether
naturist or otherwise).
The possibility of it occurring in the way you would like to portray
it is so miniscule it might as well be zero.
People generally (and naturist are no different to others in this
respect) JUST DON'T talk openly about matters of such privacy and
sensitivity when there are people they don't already know very
intimately within hearing.
It is actually incredibly unlikely that it would even have occurred in
anything like that sort of manner, even if there had been nobody but
the three around anyhow.
Except in "swinger" venues such as out and out sex clubs, people
generally don't start talking like that until they know each other
pretty well.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
I am in total control, but don't tell my wife.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

That's absolutely correct. "Anna" not only fantasizes about nudism,
she is a figment of his own imagination.

Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair. The atmosphere is actually
more tame than a high school prom, a singles bar, or a college dorm.

I find it far more disturbing that "Anna" posts up to 500 messages on
Usenet each month, and spends endless hours scouring the Internet for
news about a lifestyle he knows absolutely nothing about. This is
psychopathic, paranoid and antisocial behavior. Instead of dealing
with reality, "Anna" hides behind religious dogma and idealistic
claptrap to make senseless arguments about subjects with which he has
absolutely no personal experience.

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Zee]

Post by Nudiarist

Post by James Dale Guckert
<snip>

Post by Anna

Post by James Dale Guckert
Oh, please recreate the scene for us again... in more vivid detail.
Pretty please. Your imagination is *so* nasty.
--
JDG

Around the pool.
(Julie's Husband) Hey, I see that you are looking at my wife!
(Rich Lying) I didn't mean anything by it!
(Julie's Husband) That's too bad. I was wondering if you wanted to
have sex with her?
(Rich) You are offering to allow me to have sex with your wife?
(Julie's Husband) Oh, I will have sex with her too, you know a three-
way.  You are into that stuff aren't you?
(Rich, his Penis getting stiffer) Well, I could be. Yeah, I have no
problem with that.
(Julie's Husband) Good, before you go I will give you our phone number
and we can make arrangements, okay?
(Rich) Great, I will be looking forward to it.
All along there's children around the pool overhearing this stuff as
well as adults who just don't want to be surrounded by such sleaze. It
totally ruins the nudist atmosphere at the club (if Lupin Lodge even
has a nudist atmosphere to begin with).

Your fantasies make it obvious you have never been in a situation
where there are significant numbers of people gathered (whether
naturist or otherwise).
The possibility of it occurring in the way you would like to portray
it is so miniscule it might as well be zero.
People generally (and naturist are no different to others in this
respect) JUST DON'T talk openly about matters of such privacy and
sensitivity when there are people they don't already know very
intimately within hearing.
It is actually incredibly unlikely that it would even have occurred in
anything like that sort of manner, even if there had been nobody but
the three around anyhow.
Except in "swinger" venues such as out and out sex clubs, people
generally don't start talking like that until they know each other
pretty well.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
I am in total control, but don't tell my wife.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

That's absolutely correct. "Anna" not only fantasizes about nudism,
she is a figment of his own imagination.
Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair. The atmosphere is actually
more tame than a high school prom, a singles bar, or a college dorm.
I find it far more disturbing that "Anna" posts up to 500 messages on
Usenet each month, and spends endless hours scouring the Internet for
news about a lifestyle he knows absolutely nothing about. This is
psychopathic, paranoid and antisocial behavior. Instead of dealing
with reality, "Anna" hides behind religious dogma and idealistic
claptrap to make senseless arguments about subjects with which he has
absolutely no personal experience.
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
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so this physo ward inmate and you the nudie idiot child that post all
over with lots of adult pictures naked but not a naked kid but comes
to rec nude and tells us that Anna is all things stupid and
paranoid....lhe he.....what a couple of idiot that knows nothing about
the legal history of family nudism....and spews your crap about family
nudism being just like the textiles...where folks can and do act just
like they do in places where clothed folks congregate.....and nudist
have declared all through the years that...oh no we dont act like
clothed folks....we are very careful not to.....in the early
years....hold hands....no drinking intoxicants.....no children sitting
in laps of adults....no swearing....no talk of a sexual kind....and
eye contact is maintained when socializing.....no lewd conduct....and
on and on.....but you two gooses are not aware of that process and the
states like pa and tx had no complaints to the contrary and was left
in the states high courts to give the green light to nudistr being
left to operate until further notice....the united states supreme
court has never heard a case of the legality of adults and children
mingling socially ....but has ruled unanamous against nudist in all
other type cases......so the clothed folks enjoy privleges of males
having erections...no big thing.....but nudist say it never happens
and cover it with your towel....and certainly a ten year girl can sit
in uncle charlies lap with an erection if he is wearing clothes....so
you ignorant gooses spout your dumb shit and try shouting your dumb
shit on national tv and tell em yeah the kids can sit in the lap of an
adult with a hard on just like in the textile world ....oh i see you
guys are mostly like the rest of cowardly nudist that is scared as
hell of ever having to go before the ussc and facing the sad music of
being illegal to practice your perverted behavior......now respond to
this post and tell Anna she is stupid and paranoid and add my post and
send a copy of these post to each of united states supreme court
justices....oh i see you are gonna be cowards huh......oh send the
media outlets a copy also......i dare you...z

[Anna]

Post by Nudiarist
Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair.

I know that's what nudists keep saying but then I keep reading about
people like Julie and Rich, Cyndiann, and yes, even you who once
admitted that you want to see prostitution legalized.

I agree with you on one thing. I believe you do describe MOST
nudists. BUT I do believe there's a significant minority of those who
go to nudist venues who are for the lack of a better word "sex
positive". A much larger percentage than at a church social, a family
picnic, a country fair or in society in general.

[Nudiarist]

Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair.

I know that's what nudists keep saying but then I keep reading about
people like Julie and Rich, Cyndiann, and yes, even you who once
admitted that you want to see prostitution legalized.
I agree with you on one thing. I believe you do describe MOST
nudists.  BUT I do believe there's a significant minority of those who
go to nudist venues who are for the lack of a better word "sex
positive".  A much larger percentage than at a church social, a family
picnic, a country fair or in society in general.

And your source for this "much larger percentage" factoid can be found
where?

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Anna]

Post by Nudiarist

Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair.

I know that's what nudists keep saying but then I keep reading about
people like Julie and Rich, Cyndiann, and yes, even you who once
admitted that you want to see prostitution legalized.
I agree with you on one thing. I believe you do describe MOST
nudists.  BUT I do believe there's a significant minority of those who
go to nudist venues who are for the lack of a better word "sex
positive".  A much larger percentage than at a church social, a family
picnic, a country fair or in society in general.

And your source for this "much larger percentage" factoid can be found
where?
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

All we have to do is look at your own website. You constantly post all
these exploitative photos of naked people. Most of these photos are
from back when Nudist Magazines were for the lewd a substitute for
Playboy or Penhouse which back then were not allowed.

[Nudiarist]

Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist

Post by Anna

Post by Nudiarist
Any experienced nudist will tell you that the people who attend
clothes-free venues and events are ordinary, everyday people. Police,
firemen, clergy, government workers, moms, dads, sisters, brothers,
etc. The code of conduct is much the same as it would be at a church
social, a family picnic, or a country fair.

I know that's what nudists keep saying but then I keep reading about
people like Julie and Rich, Cyndiann, and yes, even you who once
admitted that you want to see prostitution legalized.
I agree with you on one thing. I believe you do describe MOST
nudists.  BUT I do believe there's a significant minority of those who
go to nudist venues who are for the lack of a better word "sex
positive".  A much larger percentage than at a church social, a family
picnic, a country fair or in society in general.

And your source for this "much larger percentage" factoid can be found
where?
nudiarist
Diary of a Nudisthttp://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

All we have to do is look at your own website. You constantly post all
these exploitative photos of naked people.  Most of these photos are
from back when Nudist Magazines were for the lewd a substitute for
Playboy or Penhouse which back then were not allowed.

The photos that I post are not "lewd", except in your own "dirty"
mind, which has a serious problem in dealing with reality. The nudes
in those 60s and 70s nudist mags are no more lewd than what you find
in your local art museum. In addition, photos have been seen as a
necessary component for promoting nudism and naturism since the
earliest days of the movements, and I don't know of any publication by
any of the worldwide organizations which does not use nude imagery.

Roger Ebert has two terrific posts on nudity here
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/10/entertainment_for_men.html and
here http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/10/to_nsfw_or_not_to_nsfw.html

But, of course, "Anna" will think that old Roger is just another
"perv".

nudiarist
Diary of a Nudist
http://www.nudiarist.blogspot.com

[Alex Heney]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Was that supposed to be some ort of point?

It does not in *any* way contradict or rebut anything I have said.

[Anna]

Post by Anna

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Anna
Can you imagine how it must have been around the pool?

No, because I have no knowledge of any of the people involved beyond
what has been reported.
But I would be extremely surprised if it were anything remotely like
what you suggest.

They socialized among themselves at Lupin Lodge. That's where the
proposition would have occurred.

Was that supposed to be some sort of point?

Just that Lupin Lodge has recently hit the questionable list for these
BDSM groups planning to host events there. They SAY they didn't know
that this was going on.

[Dan Abel]

In article

Post by Anna
Below is a link to another one of Gypsy Taub's My Naked Truth program.
A three way? Rich and Julie have the nerve to call themselves
Christians?

Christians? Good Christians! Up until a thousand years ago, it was
perfectly acceptable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives. How
many? As many as they could afford. The Pope got rid of the practice,
not because there was anything inherently unChristian about it, but
because it seemed like the priests paid more attention to their wives
than to their work.

Post by Anna
Here's the link to the program.
http://blip.tv/file/1675578/
or
http://blip.tv/file/1735659/

[Jenny6833A]

A three way?  Rich and Julie have the nerve to call themselves
Christians?

Christians?  Good Christians!  Up until a thousand years ago, it was
perfectly acceptable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives.  How
many?  As many as they could afford.  The Pope got rid of the practice,
not because there was anything inherently unChristian about it, but
because it seemed like the priests paid more attention to their wives
than to their work.

Yeah, people one loves can be time consuming.

I'd read somewhere that the Pope had another motivation. Priests
die. In the normal course of affairs, the kiddies inherit. By
banning marriage (and sex), the Pope ensured that the church would get
the loot.

Is there a scholar among us who can comment on what really was in the
mind of the Pope?

:-)

Jenny

[Zee]

Post by Jenny6833A

A three way?  Rich and Julie have the nerve to call themselves
Christians?

Christians?  Good Christians!  Up until a thousand years ago, it was
perfectly acceptable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives.  How
many?  As many as they could afford.  The Pope got rid of the practice,
not because there was anything inherently unChristian about it, but
because it seemed like the priests paid more attention to their wives
than to their work.

Yeah, people one loves can be time consuming.
I'd read somewhere that the Pope had another motivation.  Priests
die.  In the normal course of affairs, the kiddies inherit.  By
banning marriage (and sex), the Pope ensured that the church would get
the loot.
Is there a scholar among us who can comment on what really was in the
mind of the Pope?
:-)
Jenny

naw....this rec nude...go to alt religion....idiot..aint nuthin but
heathens here....z

[Marc]

Post by Zee

Post by Jenny6833A

Post by Dan Abel

Post by Anna
A three way? Rich and Julie have the nerve to call themselves
Christians?

Christians? Good Christians! Up until a thousand years ago, it was
perfectly acceptable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives. How
many? As many as they could afford. The Pope got rid of the practice,
not because there was anything inherently unChristian about it, but
because it seemed like the priests paid more attention to their wives
than to their work.

Yeah, people one loves can be time consuming.
I'd read somewhere that the Pope had another motivation. Priests
die. In the normal course of affairs, the kiddies inherit. By
banning marriage (and sex), the Pope ensured that the church would get
the loot.
Is there a scholar among us who can comment on what really was in the
mind of the Pope?
:-)
Jenny

naw....this rec nude..

No, it's not!