The Crisis in Nudism and Naturism, and What YOU Can Do

[Anna]

From Nudiarist's Blog:

http://nudiarist.blogspot.com/2011/02/crisis-in-nudism-and-naturism-and-what.html

http://tinyurl.com/4jhnpbl

The silence is deafening from AANR and TNS since the recent
allegations that Lupin Lodge is hosting BDSM erotic lifestyle groups
on its grounds. Both organizations should have been well prepared for
this moment, given that the reports of fetish groups infiltrating
Lupin surfaced last May.

The loss of Lupin Lodge, a cornerstone of the nudist and naturist
movement since 1936, would be devastating. Both AANR and TNS are in
negotiations with the California Department of Parks and Recreation
for the restoration of clothing-optional status to San Onofre Beach,
and for more public lands to be set aside for nude recreation,
claiming that nudism and naturism are family friendly and not magnets
for overt sexual activity.

How can either group expect to maintain the moral high ground in
discussions and legal actions when one of its affiliated clubs in
California is hosting sexual fetish events?

AANR has drawn a sharp line in the sand, proclaiming that these
"groups will be turned away and or ejected, and will never be welcome
at Lupin Lodge."

NEVER.

The Naturist Society is also clear in its stand on sexual activity.

TNS adamantly rejects the use of the term "naturism" as a cover
for sexual activity. Naturists do not deny the sexual nature of human
beings, but they reject the all too prevalent view in our society that
nudity and sex are synonymous, and that children should be "protected"
from nudity regardless of context. To repeat: nude is not lewd.

ADAMANTLY REJECTS.

The time is now to let YOUR voice be heard on this issue. Either the
national organizations live up to their standards and philosophies, or
they turn a blind eye to a situation which threatens the very
existence of family nudism.

The discussion about the future of nudism needs to be had. Are the
occasional adult events such as the "human fox hunt" or "Nudes-a-
Poppin" acceptable at AANR and TNS affiliated clubs as long as they
otherwise maintain a family-friendly atmosphere, or are these adult-
oriented events grounds for club suspension or expulsion? As of today,
the latter is still official policy.

Until that discussion takes place, it appears that AANR and TNS have
no choice but to sanction clubs which hold overt sexual events. In the
case of Lupin Lodge, it is alleged by the "human fox hunt" people that
employees at the venue not only gave complete approval to the fetish
events, they worked knowingly to cover it up.

If such an event is acceptable, then why is it not listed on Lupin's
calendar, and why did the fox hunt folks remove all references to
Lupin from their web site to prevent search engines from finding the
information?

Inaction on this issue is a tacit admission that family naturism is a
fraud.

It is time for all nudists and naturists to get involved. Contact the
leaders of AANR and TNS and let them know how you feel. If you think
that such adult activities are unacceptable, then tell them. If you
think that adult activities are sometimes acceptable, then tell them.
Just don't sit by the sidelines and watch as yet another club falls to
the lifestyle crowds.

AANR
Tel: 800-TRY-NUDE
407-933-2064
Fax: [phone]
Email: try-***@aanr.com

THE NATURIST SOCIETY
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: ***@naturistsociety.com

[Zee]

http://nudiarist.blogspot.com/2011/02/crisis-in-nudism-and-naturism-a...
http://tinyurl.com/4jhnpbl
The silence is deafening from AANR and TNS since the recent
allegations that Lupin Lodge is hosting BDSM erotic lifestyle groups
on its grounds. Both organizations should have been well prepared for
this moment, given that the reports of fetish groups infiltrating
Lupin surfaced last May.
The loss of Lupin Lodge, a cornerstone of the nudist and naturist
movement since 1936, would be devastating. Both AANR and TNS are in
negotiations with the California Department of Parks and Recreation
for the restoration of clothing-optional status to San Onofre Beach,
and for more public lands to be set aside for nude recreation,
claiming that nudism and naturism are family friendly and not magnets
for overt sexual activity.
How can either group expect to maintain the moral high ground in
discussions and legal actions when one of its affiliated clubs in
California is hosting sexual fetish events?
AANR has drawn a sharp line in the sand, proclaiming that these
"groups will be turned away and or ejected, and will never be welcome
at Lupin Lodge."
NEVER.
The Naturist Society is also clear in its stand on sexual activity.
    TNS adamantly rejects the use of the term "naturism" as a cover
for sexual activity. Naturists do not deny the sexual nature of human
beings, but they reject the all too prevalent view in our society that
nudity and sex are synonymous, and that children should be "protected"
from nudity regardless of context. To repeat: nude is not lewd.
ADAMANTLY REJECTS.
The time is now to let YOUR voice be heard on this issue. Either the
national organizations live up to their standards and philosophies, or
they turn a blind eye to a situation which threatens the very
existence of family nudism.
The discussion about the future of nudism needs to be had. Are the
occasional adult events such as the "human fox hunt" or "Nudes-a-
Poppin" acceptable at AANR and TNS affiliated clubs as long as they
otherwise maintain a family-friendly atmosphere, or are these adult-
oriented events grounds for club suspension or expulsion? As of today,
the latter is still official policy.
Until that discussion takes place, it appears that AANR and TNS have
no choice but to sanction clubs which hold overt sexual events. In the
case of Lupin Lodge, it is alleged by the "human fox hunt" people that
employees at the venue not only gave complete approval to the fetish
events, they worked knowingly to cover it up.
If such an event is acceptable, then why is it not listed on Lupin's
calendar, and why did the fox hunt folks remove all references to
Lupin from their web site to prevent search engines from finding the
information?
Inaction on this issue is a tacit admission that family naturism is a
fraud.
It is time for all nudists and naturists to get involved. Contact the
leaders of AANR and TNS and let them know how you feel. If you think
that such adult activities are unacceptable, then tell them. If you
think that adult activities are sometimes acceptable, then tell them.
Just don't sit by the sidelines and watch as yet another club falls to
the lifestyle crowds.
AANR
Tel: 800-TRY-NUDE
407-933-2064
Fax: [phone]
THE NATURIST SOCIETY
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Anna....this is old hat through the years......hey you guys we need to
talk....heard it all sooooo many times through the years....so here is
the deal....apt complexes in america show us the evolution of their
demise...and nudist camps tend to follow that order also.,....first
the grand openings which are rather expensive.....then the flow of
singles and couples that can afford the price of it with all the
amenities....then as the years go by they deteriorate and the couples
and singles go for the newer ones....and the families show up.....so
it seems it is all programmed with the nudist ....the clubs get a
little free advertizing of their risque entertainment and rec nude
picks up on it and then they quit aanr or aanr quits them and on to
the next one.....we might be able to predict what things will look
like in 2 years.....60 percent will be adults only and 40 percent will
be family....but the reason there is no use in the writing letters and
emails to aanr is they are fully aware and all changes will occur in
due time.....regards z

[Anna]

Hi Anna,

Post by Anna
The silence is deafening from AANR and TNS since the recent
allegations that Lupin Lodge is hosting BDSM erotic lifestyle groups
on its grounds. Both organizations should have been well prepared for
this moment, given that the reports of fetish groups infiltrating
Lupin surfaced last May.

Either that, or they might have the feeling that nobody really cares about
it to raise a media ruckus.  In fact on one report about TWC, one reader
said he was very amused that there is a war between two social underground
minorities about who can get the most acceptance by making an issue out of
it.

So you keep it a secret and more and more clubs fall to these people?
It's one of the reasons evil wins.

Couldn't TGB have stepped in and offered to host this event instead, since
it is known to cater for nudists, and other sexual lifestylers alike?

Lupin Lodge is in California. TGB is in Canada.

Post by Anna
The loss of Lupin Lodge, a cornerstone of the nudist and naturist
movement since 1936, would be devastating. Both AANR and TNS are in
negotiations with the California Department of Parks and Recreation
for the restoration of clothing-optional status to San Onofre Beach,
and for more public lands to be set aside for nude recreation,
claiming that nudism and naturism are family friendly and not magnets
for overt sexual activity.
How can either group expect to maintain the moral high ground in
discussions and legal actions when one of its affiliated clubs in
California is hosting sexual fetish events?

That's simple: just send LL a letter and tell them if they go ahead with
hosting the event their affiliation with AANR and TNS will be revoked.
Simple as that.

That's what is advocated to happen, but Lupin Lodge have kept this
event pretty secret (though of course not secret enough). It does make
me wonder if this is going on at other clubs who have been more
successful at keeping the goings on secret. I wish that true nudists
would use rec.nude as a resource to report such going on's.
Anonymously if they feel the necessity.

Post by Anna
AANR has drawn a sharp line in the sand, proclaiming that these
"groups will be turned away and or ejected, and will never be welcome
at Lupin Lodge."
NEVER.
The Naturist Society is also clear in its stand on sexual activity.
   TNS adamantly rejects the use of the term "naturism" as a cover
for sexual activity. Naturists do not deny the sexual nature of human
beings, but they reject the all too prevalent view in our society that
nudity and sex are synonymous, and that children should be "protected"
from nudity regardless of context. To repeat: nude is not lewd.

Nude doesn't have to be Lewd, but the lewd are attracted to the nude.
Where there's nudity lewdness most often follows. That's why nudists
need to be extremely, extremely careful to maintain an appropriate
environment. It's not easy and with an increasingly sexualized society
it gets more difficult all the time.

Post by Anna
ADAMANTLY REJECTS.

I've no problem with that.  But then again, how many kids indulge in horsey
rides with older siblings or their parents when they are little?

Not the same thing. It is sad that even the most innocent of
activities is for some a fetish. Though part of the fetish is being
treated like an animal and that is not what happens in horsey rides.

Also, the event had a BDSM play space as well as being about the whole
pony play fetish.

 Admittedly
it is not sexual, but why adults want to engage in childish "animal play"
for sexual activity is pretty off in my opinion and if I had kids I wouldn't
want to subject them to that sort of behaviour.  What's wrong with having
sex like human beings?  Isn't that enough for us?

Who knows where all these fetishes come from? For some a co-ed
puddling fight is a fetish. Unfortunately nudists need to be
knowledgeable about these fetishes in order to detect when innocent
activity becomes not so innocent at least for some. Should nude
puddling fights go on? I personally think it is just fun behavior
without worrying about washing clothes afterward, but for some it will
play into the WAM fetish.

Post by Anna
The time is now to let YOUR voice be heard on this issue. Either the
national organizations live up to their standards and philosophies, or
they turn a blind eye to a situation which threatens the very
existence of family nudism.

Each nudist club should complain about this! Talk to your club
membership. When one nudist club is corrupted it tends to harm
people's perception of all nudist clubs.

Post by Anna
The discussion about the future of nudism needs to be had. Are the
occasional adult events such as the "human fox hunt" or "Nudes-a-
Poppin" acceptable at AANR and TNS affiliated clubs as long as they
otherwise maintain a family-friendly atmosphere, or are these adult-
oriented events grounds for club suspension or expulsion? As of today,
the latter is still official policy.

It's because of one thing: money.  Some supporters of these events argue
that those events are money spinners which keep their venues open so that
the family nudists can have the luxury of enjoying them.  I wonder how much
the family nudists realise this?

Still it is saying to the public that indeed there's a connection
between nudism and "other" sexual "fetishes".

Post by Anna
Until that discussion takes place, it appears that AANR and TNS have
no choice but to sanction clubs which hold overt sexual events. In the
case of Lupin Lodge, it is alleged by the "human fox hunt" people that
employees at the venue not only gave complete approval to the fetish
events, they worked knowingly to cover it up.

:-(

They said they were going to stop such people at the gates and turn
them away but instead it seems that at least to some extent they
facilitated the event. They said the event wouldn't go on, but
nonetheless it did.

Post by Anna
If such an event is acceptable, then why is it not listed on Lupin's
calendar, and why did the fox hunt folks remove all references to
Lupin from their web site to prevent search engines from finding the
information?

Dishonesty, perhaps?

Absolutely. Makes me wonder if such stuff is going on at other clubs
but they have been more successful in keeping it off the Internet.

Post by Anna
Inaction on this issue is a tacit admission that family naturism is a
fraud.

Absolutely. It admits what many textiles think nudism is already.

Post by Anna
It is time for all nudists and naturists to get involved. Contact the
leaders of AANR and TNS and let them know how you feel. If you think
that such adult activities are unacceptable, then tell them. If you
think that adult activities are sometimes acceptable, then tell them.
Just don't sit by the sidelines and watch as yet another club falls to
the lifestyle crowds.

The thing is that our society sees nudism and naturism as a lifestyle,
rather than a philosophy of life that's to be taken seriously.

Even as a lifestyle do you want it to know as a sexual lifestyle. A
fetish that can to some extent be equated to other "sexual" fetishes.

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